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Posted by George Hammond on 10/12/05 00:01
On 11 Oct 2005 06:29:13 -0700, "Mark Martin" <qed100@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>George Hammond wrote:
>> On 11 Oct 2005 01:57:02 -0700, "Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >George Hammond wrote:
>> >><snip>
>> >> Oh sure... you can see a "flash of light" at 1/100 of a sec...
>> >> but you can't "recognize any pictures" at that speed.
>> >
>> >Oh yes I can!
>>
>> Single flash projector Tachyscope testing has proved you wrong years
>> ago.... to say nothing of decades of subliminal movie testing data.
>>
>> Go ahead, open up your 35 mm camera, set it on 1/100 of a sec,
>> point it at a road sign, look thru it and snap the shutter, you won't
>> see anything but a flash of daylight.
>>
>> Move it down to 1/15 of a sec and you'll see the sign.
>
> I used to be a theater projection operator. Movie film, after just a
>few projector passes, accumulates a well distributed collection of dust
>particles. No two frames have exactly, or even nearly exactly, the same
>distribution of dust. Have you actually gone to the movies? Running at
>24 fps, the field of dust specks can be seen plainly for every single
>frame. Having been in a position to observe the dust pattern on a given
>physical film print repeatedly, I can say with confidence that the dust
>on individual frames can be registered & resolved even to the point of
>becoming intimately familiar with them. By the end of a one week run, I
>used to anticipate specific dust specks on specific frames reliably. Go
>watch an old movie on TV that's digitized from a dirty film print.
[Hammond]
Look... there's something you're not taking into account.
the human PFF (Picture Fusion Frequency" is HIGHLY
IQ DEPENDENT.
In fact, the relation between IQ and PFF is given by:
IQ = 5 PFF + 25
or solving for PFF:
PFF = IQ/5 -5
OK... for a person with an average IQ (100) his PFF
will be:
PFF = 100/5 - 5 = 15 frames/sec
which is the population average PFF.
Which is WHY silent movies were all shot at 16 fps
(they only bumped it to 24 when talkies came out
to keep the SOUND TRACK from warbling)
but for a person with an IQ of 140, then
his PFF will be:
PFF= 140/5 - 5 = 23 frames/sec
So... assuming the movie is running at 24 frames/sec... it is
entirely possible that YOU might be able to see individual
dust frames..... but the average person CANNOT!
You sound pretty bright to me, theatre projector operators
would have to be reasonjably bright. It's entirely possible
that you do have an IQ of 140.... many research physicists
have measured IQ's in excess of 160.
Ever had your IQ tested?
>
> And so-called subliminal imaging REQUIRES that the image be both
>registerable and resolvable at 1/24 of a second. If a sign saying "buy
>popcorn" weren't perceptible, then it WOULDN'T WORK. No one would be
>able to read it to begin with.
> EVERY frame of a motion picture is
>plainly visible.
[Hammond]
WRONG. the average human can oly see 15 frames/sec (or less)
as individual frames. this has been known since the time of
Thomas Edison.
> The fusion rate has only to do with continuity of
>motion.
[Hammond]
Same difference.
>
> And as for continuity of motion, the frame refresh rate can be
>dropped to even below 15 fps. There are cheap, low end digital movie
>cameras on the shelves at this moment which shoot at only 10 fps. I've
>seen experimental video shot at only 5 fps, in which motion tolerably
>approximates continuity.
[Hammond]
sure, sure, sure... I know all about it. the averager AVI or MPEG
on a computer is only running at 12 frames/sec because they are
compressed to cut the file size. this is common knowledge.
The point is you can't see a photo flashed FASTER then 1/yourPFF
>
>-Mark Martin
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