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Posted by Biz on 10/06/63 11:39
"Goro" <evilninjax@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139406969.848818.285630@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ken Maltby wrote:
> > "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> > news:43e8cf8b.22001484@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:00:39 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
> > > <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Bob's stated position is that the software is defective if it doesn't
> > >>function in the manner he expects it to.
> > >
> > > I would like to see you prove that absurd allegation. You can't.
> > >
> > > My stated position is that "software is defective if it doesn't
> > > function in the manner it claims to."
> > >
> > > AGK claims to convert DVDs that have subtitles into AVIs that have a
> > > subtitle. There is no restriction mentioned in the specification that
> > > says you cannot use clips made from DVD Shrink or that they must be a
> > > certain length or the sync will be lost.
> > >
> > >> Since his subtitles play when the .ifo file is included, but not
> > >>when played from the .vob; the subpicture stream must be
> > >>referenced/played to see the subtitles. This is how DVDs
> > >>work.
> > >
> > > I always reference the IFO when I use AGK. That's what the
> > > specifications require.
> > >
> > > I know that this is the correct way because AGK shows the subtitle
> > > name ("English") in the Subtitle dialog. It also states that it has
> > > prepared the subtitle in the Log.
> > >
> > >> You can't add subtitles to an AVI file.
> > >
> > > AutoGK can.
> > >
> > > +++
> > > http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN
> > >
> > > If you want burnt in subtitles, then choose your subtitle track. The
> > > default setting is for burned in or subtitles embedded into the video
> > > (i.e. you cannot switch them on or off dynamically). If you would
> > > prefer to have external subs, then check that box in Advanced
> > > Settings.
> > > +++
> > >
> > >>It's a limitation of the format.
> > >
> > > Have you ever used AGK with subtitles? Have you ever read the
> > > tutorial?
> > >
> > >>You have to keep them as a separate file or use an OGM or MKV
> > >>container.
> > >
> > > You clearly do not understand what the author of AGK means by "burnt
> > > in subtitles". RTFM.
> > >
> > >> So to play back there is a file (.srt or one of several others)
> > >>included with the .avi, and it's the player that adds the subtitles
during
> > >>playback.
> > >
> > > That's how SimpleDivX works. You must include the separate subtitle
> > > files in order to see subtitles with your AVI. But even with subtitle
> > > files, SimpleDivX also fails to convert them properly with clips made
> > > from DVD Shrink.
> > >
> > >> The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over the
> > >>video,
> > >
> > > Now you are making up terms that contradict the ones used by the
> > > authot of AGK.
> > >
> > > He says you can have "burned in or subtitles embedded into the video".
> > > You are using this new term "subtitles over the video".
> > >
> > > If you know so much about this stuff, why don't you get the source
> > > code from the author and pick up where he is leaving off. But that
> > > begs the question of whether you know how to program.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > You twist and distort my post, just like you twist a program
> > into knots till you find a way it doesn't work. This is not the
> > first thread you have done this little dance. You claim that
> > "AutoGK (has) Subtitle Problems" but you admit that it handles
> > a complete conversion with no problems, and it is only where
> > you have chopped up the streams that these "problems" develop.
> >
> > The terms I used, in no way contradict the authors terms. I said
> > that: "The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over
> > the video, and the subtitles can't be turned on or off." This is a
> > description, not a naming contest. Both the author's terms and
> > mine are meant to convey the fact that the "subtitle" text is made into
> > a permanent part of the image, and not a selectable feature, as in a
> > DVD.
> >
> > The AVI container cannot mux a Subtitle stream. The OGM and
> > MKV containers can. For the playback of an AVI video to include
> > a selectable Subtitle there must be additional files and the player
> > must be able to use those files to add the Subtitle during playback.
> >
> > AutoGK has to convert the DVD's subpicture stream and the
> > indexing that plays the subpicture image of text, at the correct point
> > within the DVD's own indexing. Chopping up pieces of MPEG
> > changes the indexing/reference points involved. Within the DVD
> > this navigation data is maintained in more than one place and they
> > must all match. It would come as no surprise to hear that a program
> > would have difficulty extracting only part of the streams and trying
> > to piece together the continuous video of the movie with the not so
> > continuous subtitle.
> >
> > Just because you can find a way to make a program fail, doesn't
> > mean there is anything wrong with AutoGK, that would effect a
> > normal person's use of it. And this is what your posts are always
> > about. You never want to examine ways to accomplish a task,
> > just gripe about how the software can't jump through the hoops
> > you conger up.
> >
> > Ken
>
> I find Bob somewhat tiresome to listen to. He's the kind of newbie
> that learns just a bit to be able to spout off bordeline correct but
> cumbersome statements that people can't quite understand. Since he's
> really unwilling to do anything more than a "1-step" process, it's
> almost pointless to discuss anything with him.
>
> -goro-
>
Why are you guys still wasting your time with this complete loser? I
shitcanned his posts weeks ago. Now if I could just convince a few of you
to quit responding to him, I wouldnt have to see ANY of his posts anymore.
Help a guy out, will you please?
;)
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