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Posted by Steve Guidry on 09/28/85 11:45
> I don't need a site check as I only do jobs with acceptable sound and
> lighting....I would be doing the final setup and what would be construed
as
> a site check at the rehearsal and, yes this is about 2 hrs. time.
That would be a treat . . .
> Just me with 2 close cameras...one stationary at a long shot to include
> everything and one to be zooming/panning....only me doing everything....
OK . . . well there you go . . .
Nearly everyone advocating a higher price is figuring that the client
deserves and is expecting better than that. And my guess is that - -
despite his assertion that he "wants it cheap" - - this approach will leave
him less than thrilled in the long run. I remember one where the I gave the
client what he was asking for - - like you're trying to do - - and after he
saw the end result, boy did he change his tune ! All of a sudden there were
all kinds of problems : the lighting was crap. The sound was mixed wrong.
The video was fuzzy. The shot framing was not to his liking. It became
real clear that what he was really wanting was a network quality show on the
cheap. When I mentioned this, he started in again - - "No, no, no - - I
realize that we're not paying for a network production, but . . ." And then
he started in again on all the problems.
The moral for me was to begin refusing work that couldn't meet the goals of
the client on the budget he had. Because no matter how much he says
otherwise, most clients - - despite their protestations - - realld don't
want a "cheap" video.
> Give me a break here....This isn't a music video....Yes they want pretty
> much minimal editing with each performance almost intact....I might be
> cutting between cameras a few times but they've expressly asked for a
> WYSIWYG product....That's why my price is so low....I'm factoring about
8hr.
> capture and editing...
I'd be interested to see if that estimate is accurate. I have a hard time
doing anything in only 8 hours. But you know your setup, and thehave the
vision for the finished product.
>
> Yes the above is true to a point....I'm not a guy with a camcorder and
> editing program who wants to do it for a living....I'm a serious hobbyist
> who does a bit as a sideline. I know what I'm doing for small productions
> that I know I can handle....I don't try to take on something more.
> I'm not destroying any business.....These guys wouldn't have it done at
all
> at anywhere near the prices you guys are throwing out....Perhaps I didn't
> explain the miniscule size of the non-profit organization that puts this
> show on each year....It's all volunteer labour exept for the location
> rental, sound and lighing, and the videographer....I think the
photographer
> does it for a token fee too....(Last time he emailed me what he picked as
> the top 20 photos to be included in the video as well)
> Anyway, it looks like I'm doing the job next weekend and I'm sure it will
go
Best of luck to you on the project. Most of us have done projects like this
over the years, and occasionally they've come back to bite us. That's why
the advice you're getting is so slanted and biased away from projects like
this. Here's another reason : Churches and non-profits exist - - by
definition, almost - - by getting people to GIVE them things : time,
money, services. More than once, I've had my arm twisted by a church to "do
it for the Lord", or because "It's for a good cause". This doesn't sit
well with many of us who're trying to knock out a living doing this stuff.
My response now is something along the lines of " If God is in it, He'll
fund it." Or, "If I did every "good cause" project that came in the
door, my kids would starve."
Let us know how it went.
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Steve Guidry
Video Works, Inc.
Live events for TV and Video
www.videoworksinc.com
800.844.4404
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