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Posted by doc on 06/01/06 20:04
my only comment here would be that if DVD were considered the safe output
format, then why is the government going back to tape for archieve?
according to the article i read at their website recent tests have concluded
that DVD doen't have the shelf life as was thought to be true initially.
all our "wanna keeps" are going to miniDV tape for now just in case.
drd
"Frank" <frank@nojunkmail.humanvalues.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:05:29 -0700, in 'rec.video.production',
> in article <Re: Mini DV>,
> "PTravel" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve King" <steveSPAMBLOCK@stevekingSPAMBLOCK.net> wrote in message
>>news:q4qdnSVZRO18g9nZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "PTravel" <ptravel@ruyitang.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4aig1hFtdbfhU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Mr. Tapeguy" <mr.tapeguy@pro-tape.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1145299810.542761.249740@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> However, JVC has a hard drive consumer camcorder out and I think you
>>>>> will see a move toward these at some point.
>
> I was speaking recently on the telephone to a consumer acquaintance
> who informed me that he didn't understand why I was still dealing with
> video tape in this modern "pristine-quality, all-digital" day and age.
>
> (He believes, as do many consumers who have been sold this particular
> bill of goods, that anything digital is, by definition,
> "pristine-quality". You know, "perfect sound forever", and all that.)
>
> He informed me that HDD (hard disk drive) and direct-to-DVD camcorders
> were the wave of the future and that I and all others like me were
> living in the past.
>
> I thanked him for his insight.
>
> Earlier today, I happened to be visiting the Sony Style Canada Web
> site and took notice of their model DCR-SR100 HDD Handycam.
>
> If I may quote from the Web page in question...
>
> "With its remarkable 30GB capacity, Sony's new DCR-SR100 Hard Disk
> Drive (HDD) Handycam captures hours of high-quality digital video
> without the need for extra media."
>
> My consumer acquaintance eats this up. In his mind, it means a ton of
> money saved by not having to purchase (old-fashioned) tapes.
>
> The Web pages goes on to say...
>
> "Sony's new Hard Disk Drive Handycam camcorder gives you the power to
> capture even more of your favourite and spontaneous moments. Record up
> to 21 hours of DVD quality video without the need for external or
> extra media. The DCR-SR100's impressive storage capacity allows for
> extensive digital video recording directly to the Handycam camcorder's
> internal hard disk drive."
>
> By now my consumer-oriented acquaintance would be absolutely wild with
> joy. Just think, he can record up to 21 hours (!) on a single HDD
> while I'm left to ponder 60 minutes in DV mode or 40 minutes in DVCAM
> mode on a Mini tape.
>
> The Web page, of course, doesn't stop there...
>
> "Create your own movie masterpiece or burn your digital videos
> directly to DVD with Sony Media Software included with the DCR-SR100
> HDD Handycam."
>
> At this point, my acquaintance firmly believes that I'm totally nuts,
> always ranting on about dual processor Xeon systems with gigabytes of
> dual-channel double-data-rate ECC memory and fiber channel
> multi-terabyte RAID arrays and other stuff of which he has no
> knowledge except that it all costs a lot of money and supports some
> hazy thing called uncompressed 4:4:4 RGB.
>
> He also, knowing full well that I'm a city boy through and through,
> doesn't fathom why I sometimes mention the term "render farm".
>
> There's no way that I'm telling him about the 8-way workstation that 1
> Beyond will be showing at NAB this year.
>
> http://www.1beyond.com/company/press_octoflex.asp?search=press_releases
>
> The long and short of it is that a lot of consumers have never seen
> better looking television than they're currently getting from
> commercially produced DVD-Video discs and are convinced that DVD and
> HDD camcorders are the way to go--and I'm finding it nearly impossible
> to convince them otherwise.
>
>>>> Not as currently implemented. The hard-drive consumer machines use
>>>> MPEG
>>>> of some flavor and have the same problems with increased compression
>>>> and
>>>> lack of easy editing. Now, a camcorder with a large hard drive that
>>>> recorded DV-25 might be interesting, but it would have to be a mighty
>>>> big
>>>> hard drive.
>
> Given that DV (including DVCAM and DVCPRO) consumes under 14 GB per
> hour of storage, and 80 GB and 100 GB 2-1/2" notebook computer style
> hard drives are readily available, I don't understand why you say "it
> would have to be a mighty big hard drive".
>
>>> I'm scheduled to work on a independent film (as an actor) in late May.
>>> they are shooting with the new Panasonic HD camera. Can't recall the
>>> number now; the $6 grand one.
>
> Sounds like the Panasonic AG-HVX200 quad-mode
> (DV/DVCPRO/DVCPRO50/DVCPRO HD) camcorder.
>
> http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=93120&catGroupId=15768&modelNo=AG-HVX200&surfModel=AG-HVX200
>
>>> The videographer has the accessory hard
>>> drive that he plans to use.
>
> Sounds like the Focus Enhancements FireStore FS-100, but that's not
> yet shipping. Of course, he might be beta testing a pre-production
> test sample.
>
> http://www.focusinfo.com/solutions/catalog.asp?id=150
>
>>> I'n anxious to see how it all performs.
>>>
>>> Steve King
>>
>>Well, sure, solid state and hard drives are definitely the cards for pro
>>gear. I was referring to consumer camcorders.
>
> Solid state (for example, Panasonic's P2 flash memory cards) are
> currently high in cost and low in capacity and hard drives aren't too
> useful to many professional videographers unless they're
> removable/external.
>
> --
> Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
> [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
> Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
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