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Posted by RichardK on 06/14/06 11:23
NRen2k5 wrote:
> RichardK wrote:
>> NRen2k5 wrote:
>>
>>>> But, you can do that in iTunes, without having to mess around, with
>>>> playlists, albums and indivudual songs, to load up 3rd party MP3
>>>> players, burn MP3 CDs, and load onto iPod.
>>>
>>> But you can do that without iTunes.
>>
>> Not quite as easily.
>
> No, not quite. But your tradeoff is more versatility and better quality
> in the end result.
In what way? How can the quality be 'better', the source material is the
same. I can rip files at varying quality in iTunes, AAC or MP3. WMA
isn't better quality, and in terms of 'organisation', how do you define
quality.
Give me a sensible answer and I'll even tell you one thing that bugs me
in iTunes.
>>> Only if you're some kind of idiot who doesn't have his music organized.
>>
>> It's perfectly organised. Unless you think doing it manually is in
>> some way better than having an application do it for you at the time
>> of importing...
>
> I sort by artist\album as I rip. No further organization than that.
See, what if you want a CD of a certain genre? You can't easily do that
if you use Finder or Explorer, or similar. Or of a certain era?
> I can burn it all to CD/DVD or export to any device and I know it will
> be sorted exactly the same as it is on the computer.
I do a bit more with my music than just that, I guess.
>> Yes. That was Panasonic - a mass market company - making an MP3
>> player. One of the first on the market, and one of the smallest, too.
>> You don't seem to get this 'context' thing.
>
> Neither do you. Your Panasonic is good example of a bad MP3 player
> package, not a good representative for all non-iPod MP3 player packages.
It's an example of a widely publicsed device that I owned. A cheap,
nasty no-name branded MP3 player headphone unit from 2001 was £99 (you
wouldn't pay £20 for that now, with the ability to listen to 8 whole
tracks!), the Samsung YEPP (Flash player) was £170 for 64Mb with a
barely-useable display. Rio 600 (32Mb) - £170. In 2000, the Creative DAP
Jukebox (I'm guessing from the look and case, the first Nomad) offered a
6Gb HD for £379, but in a form factor that whilst not significantly
larger (thicker and heavier, though) than portable CD player and with no
shock protection for the HD, making it about as portable as an eggshell.
>>>> The 1st Gen iPod came out in 2001, too. 5GB storage. MP3/AAC
>>>> playback. $399. iTunes (which was better and easier to use than Real
>>>> Jukebox).
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is setting the bar very low.
>>
>>
>> True, but regardless, Apple's solution was better than any solution on
>> Windows.
>
>
> Because nobody at the time had thought to do an all-in-one.
Creative shipped with PlayCentre. That's about a close to all-in-one as
you'll get. If no-one wanted to develop a better solution, that's their
problem.
>> And their player offered almost 100x the capacity for $50 more.
>
>
> Like the Creative Nomad.
I've never seen a Nomad, so I googled. Jesus, that's a horrible looking
thing, and HUGE! You could fit an iPod inside it! Also, the first was
just a rebranded Samsung.
I'll tell you what, too - I'm looking at a review of a Nomad 3 right now
from 2002, and Creative are going to have a really hard time defending
their lawsuit if it's based on the Nomad (which IIRC, it was) being
prior art. The Nomad might start with a list, but it brings up a window
over the list. Not identical to the iPod's interface, as claimed.
What I'll give the Nomad is the versatility. At $399, it did a lot of
stuff the iPod didn't do, as well as the capacity, But what it didn't do
is unfortunately what made the iPod a success; it looked like a bloody
great big "Gadget", had a cheap-looking LCD,
>> What lock-ins, you retard. This is 2001 I'm talking about. iTMS came
>> out WAY after the iPod was a success.
>
> And in 2001 iTunes was made only to work with the iPod.
That's simply not true.
First; DRM wasn't an issue in 2001, right? So the files were either MP3
or AAC. Simple.
Second; iTunes worked with my Archos Multimedia Jukebox, a
pre-production version of the 20Gb launched (mine was a 10Gb model).
This was a device with a colour screen and the ability to attach a CF
adaptor for copying files from a digital camera.
Richard
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