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Posted by afn03488 on 10/06/45 11:50
> How do you get TDA (TMPGEnc DVD Author ) to put up a "Main Menu"?
> I can only get it to put up a "Title Menu", as indicated in WinDVD
> and my ILO DVDR.
> I have "Only Main Menu" checked under "Menu Display Settings" so
> you would think TDA would follow its own instructions. -- Bob
This is your problem, it did.
> But all I get is a Title Menu - and I didn't even ask for one.
> -- Bob
You asked for a "Main Menu" and that is what you got, what in DVD
parlance is known as a "Title Menu". The fact that WinDVD and your
ILO use different terms than TDA shouldn't bother you any more than
than the meaning of "fender" depends on whether you are in the US
or Britain.
> Semantics, most likely. -- Ken Maltby
Most definitely.
> Whatever name TDA has for it, the devices (WinDVD and ILO DVDR)
> call it Title Menu. I have to use the "Title" key on the remote
> for the DVDR - the "Menu" key won't work at all. -- Bob
Well that is what it is in DVD parlance. The "Title", or "Top Menu"
key on remotes jump from where ever you are on the DVD to the PGC
labeled "Title" in the VIDEO_TS.VOB. When you press the "Menu" you
jump to the "Root" menu in which ever VTS is currently playing. The
reason your "Menu" key won't work is that you failed to specify a
"Root" menu by checking "Main Menu Only".
> There is no entry under "Root Menu" in WinDVD - it's empty. -- Bob
> In TDA you can also have a menu for each Title/VTS where you can
> select the chapters within the title. This is called a track menu
> in TDA. You could also describe it as a menu of the chapters within
> a particular title/VTS/Track, or a Chapter Menu. Since TDA is using
> the term "track" for Title, you might consider it the Title's Menu
> also. -- Ken Maltby
> I am aware of that. -- Bob
No you aren't, or you wouldn't have structured your DVD as you did.
> My problem is that I have to use the Title key on the ILO remote
> because I do not have it programmed into my main remote since I
> have never had to use it. -- Bob
Well if you would learn to use TDA, you still wouldn't.
> With ordinary DVDs, the Menu key works. -- Bob
That's because "ordinary DVDs" have "Root Menus" for each VTS.
> I think this is a bug that came about because the Japanese do not
> understand how people use their remotes.
It's not a bug; PEBKAC.
> But I can live with it - I will have to mark the discs to remind me
> to use the original remote with the Title key. It would have been
> so much simplier if the developer had just done it right from the
> outset. -- Bob
No, it would be simpler if you programmed your main remote to have a
"Title" or "Top Menu" key. That and learn how to design navigational
structures for your own DVDs.
"There is much to be said in favor of the Internet. By giving us the
opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance
of the community." -- Bob's signature
Never were truer words spoken concerning your own state of mind.
> You and Alpha, anything that works differently than you want or
> expect is a "BUG". -- Ken Maltby
If Bob were to climb into a cockpit, he would assume the pedals were
for only for braking and accelerating and the throttles were seperate
gearshift levers for each engine. Why should God expect him to learn
how to operate it; planes should be intuitive to operate.
> However once I have made a selection, I cannot access the menu again
> without using the title button. -- Bob
If you don't have a "Root Menu" in the title you have selected, how
the fuck do you expect that title to respond to the "Menu" button?
> I can, however, access the titles via the GoTo function where the
> various titles are enumerated albeit in cryptic manner. Or I suppose
> I could cycle the disc open each time. -- Bob
Or you could supply a "Root Menu" in each VTS which did nothing but
auto invoke the "Title Menu" in the VIDEO_TS.VOB.
> If you take a look on the window called "Display Menu Settings" you
> will find a "Main Menu" and a "Track Menu".
> If you select "Main Menu Only" you end up with what WinDVD calls the
> Title Menu and no Root Menu aka Main Menu. -- Bob
As Ken indicated, a matter of semantics. In DVD parlence, there is no
such thing as a "Main" menu. Menus are contained in the VIDEO_TS.VOB
and the various VTS_nn_0.VOBs. Each PGC is a seperate menu. Most do
not even have video blocks, so you see nothing on your display. Some do
have video blocks, and some of those have defined buttons which you can
invoke a response via your remote. Navigation is programmed into these
PGCs.Even fewer have a specific category assigned. The available
categories are "Title", "Root", "Audio", "Subtitle"/"Subpicture", and
"Chapter". The VIDEO_TS.VOB can only have a "Title" menu, and only the
VIDEO_TS.VOB can have a "Title" menu. The remaining types can occur in
each VTS_nn_0.VOB. Pressing the appropriate remote key causes an
interruption in play, if applicable, and a jump to the corresponding
PGC within the VTS currently active. Pressing the "Title" or "Top Menu"
key causes the active VTS to be terminated and a jump to the "Title"
PGC in the VIDEO_TS.VOB.
> I do not remember calling these issues bugs. I called them design flaws.
> -- Alpha
The only design flaws involved are the gamates supplied by your
parents.
> But TDA called it the Main Menu, and reserved the term Title Menu for
> something entirely different. -- Bob
As Ken later claims, TDA does not refer to a "Title Menu". Where do
you find this reserved usage, and what does it do?
> Commercial DVDs create a Root Menu. -- Bob
No joke, they supply a Root Menu for each VTS so there is something
to respond to the "Menu" key. They also supply a "Title" menu in the
VIDEO_TS.VOB so there is an ability to leave a VTS which does not
have a selectable menu.
> Commercial DVDs put the two together and call it the Root Menu. I
> am able to access it in WinDVD thru "Root Menu" and with my DVDR
> as "Menu". -- Bob
To put it bluntly, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Most often the "Title" menu on commercial DVDs does not display a
thing. It is generally a method of resetting the state of the DVD
player without cycling thru a tray open and close to invoke
"FirstPlay" and bypasses all the original nag screens.
What you are calling a "Main Menu" is generally either the "Root Menu"
or a PGC jumped to by the "Root Menu" of the main or feature VTS. I'd
suggest you try PGCedit [it's free] and actually look at the menu
structure of several commercial DVDs [preferably of different brands]
to see how they are actually structured, but your previous posts
indicate you are a "one click" wonder who demands instant comfort.
> I don't even have a Title key on my programmable remote. -- Bob
That is your personal problem.
Look, Ken knows his way around TDA; he can help you, BUT, first you
have to come to grips with the fact that YOU have the problem, not TDA.
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