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Posted by Christopher Campbell on 12/09/06 18:04
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:08:09 -0800, Colin B wrote
(in article <457a7cf7$1@clear.net.nz>):
>
> "Christopher Campbell" <christophercampbell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C19F2D2D002A2028F0407500@news.wavecable.com...
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:15:06 -0800, Bill wrote
>> (in article <ibOdnUGzArj_7uTYnZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@golden.net>):
>>
>>>
>>> When diesel trains were introduced, didn't the unions try to insist that
>>> the stokers and firemen keep their jobs?
>>>
>>
>> Stokers and firemen no longer had jobs. They were obsolete. And no one
>> insisted that they continue to work without pay.
>>
>> You seem to think that performing artists should work without being paid,
>> even though their jobs are not obsolete. They have not been replaced. They
>> still entertain people.
>>
>> Your argument is akin to asking stokers and firemen to work without pay on
>> coal locomotives for your personal benefit, simply because there are also
>> diesel locomotives that do not need stokers and firemen.
>>
>> I do not care if buggy whip manufacturers go out of business because no
>> one
>> wants buggy whips any more. But I do care if musicians and actors are
>> driven
>> out of business because thieves steal all their work.
>
>
> After reading the contributions in this thread, I doubt whether I will ever
> submit any video to these web sites. I really don't want people to call me a
> thief and start suing me. A while ago, I made a nice little video of a group
> of music students playing together in a youth orchestra. I filmed this at
> the request of one of the students and with the permission of the leader of
> the group. But if I was to submit this to Youtube, I would first need to
> ensure that I applied for copyright approval for all the music they played.
> And I guess I would also need the approval of each and every one of the
> students as well.
>
> I know that most people wouldn't bother doing these things, but because you
> have all told me that I would be a thief and would be personally liable if
> one of the music composers didn't like hearing his music played by this
> orchestra on internet, I won't upload the film to Youtube. One of the pieces
> was by Mozart, but I'm not sure how I'll get his approval, he hasn't been
> around for a while. In fact, I'm not even sure that I should give this video
> to the student because I guess I would be responsible as the filmmaker if
> she were to submit my film to Youtube without getting proper copyright
> approvals first?
>
> I also thought about uploading to Youtube some of my film of our young baby
> daughter eating a meal and spreading all the food right across her face. We
> all thought it was hilarious, but there's one problem, we had some music
> playing in the background. Darn it, I can't upload this either because
> someone will say I've stolen the music. I don't even know the name of the
> piece of music that was playing or who the composer was, but it's not worth
> the time trying to find out and then getting copyright approval. Sorry
> world, you won't get to see my daughter after all, and of course, she
> wouldn't approve either. At least the composer of this piece of music won't
> be driven out of business as a result of my unintentional thieving of his
> work.
>
>
You are not fooling anybody, you know; not even yourself. All the
hairsplitting in the world will not change what is plainly obvious -- people
are taking other people's work without paying for it. If you are really so
stupid as to not know the difference between a film you made of your baby and
ripping an entire commercial CD or DVD to a file sharing site then there is
no hope for you.
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