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Posted by Frank ess on 12/09/06 22:56
Colin B wrote:
> "Christopher Campbell" <christophercampbell@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message news:0001HW.C1A03A990039F220F0386500@news.wavecable.com...
>> On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:08:09 -0800, Colin B wrote
>> (in article <457a7cf7$1@clear.net.nz>):
>>
>>>
>>> "Christopher Campbell" <christophercampbell@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:0001HW.C19F2D2D002A2028F0407500@news.wavecable.com...
>>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:15:06 -0800, Bill wrote
>>>> (in article <ibOdnUGzArj_7uTYnZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@golden.net>):
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When diesel trains were introduced, didn't the unions try to
>>>>> insist that
>>>>> the stokers and firemen keep their jobs?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stokers and firemen no longer had jobs. They were obsolete. And
>>>> no
>>>> one insisted that they continue to work without pay.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to think that performing artists should work without
>>>> being
>>>> paid,
>>>> even though their jobs are not obsolete. They have not been
>>>> replaced. They
>>>> still entertain people.
>>>>
>>>> Your argument is akin to asking stokers and firemen to work
>>>> without pay on
>>>> coal locomotives for your personal benefit, simply because there
>>>> are also
>>>> diesel locomotives that do not need stokers and firemen.
>>>>
>>>> I do not care if buggy whip manufacturers go out of business
>>>> because no one
>>>> wants buggy whips any more. But I do care if musicians and actors
>>>> are driven
>>>> out of business because thieves steal all their work.
>>>
>>>
>>> After reading the contributions in this thread, I doubt whether I
>>> will ever
>>> submit any video to these web sites. I really don't want people to
>>> call me a
>>> thief and start suing me. A while ago, I made a nice little video
>>> of a group
>>> of music students playing together in a youth orchestra. I filmed
>>> this at the request of one of the students and with the permission
>>> of the leader of
>>> the group. But if I was to submit this to Youtube, I would first
>>> need to ensure that I applied for copyright approval for all the
>>> music they played.
>>> And I guess I would also need the approval of each and every one
>>> of
>>> the students as well.
>>>
>>> I know that most people wouldn't bother doing these things, but
>>> because you
>>> have all told me that I would be a thief and would be personally
>>> liable if
>>> one of the music composers didn't like hearing his music played by
>>> this orchestra on internet, I won't upload the film to Youtube.
>>> One
>>> of the pieces
>>> was by Mozart, but I'm not sure how I'll get his approval, he
>>> hasn't been around for a while. In fact, I'm not even sure that I
>>> should give this video
>>> to the student because I guess I would be responsible as the
>>> filmmaker if she were to submit my film to Youtube without getting
>>> proper copyright approvals first?
>>>
>>> I also thought about uploading to Youtube some of my film of our
>>> young baby
>>> daughter eating a meal and spreading all the food right across her
>>> face. We
>>> all thought it was hilarious, but there's one problem, we had some
>>> music playing in the background. Darn it, I can't upload this
>>> either because someone will say I've stolen the music. I don't
>>> even
>>> know the name of the piece of music that was playing or who the
>>> composer was, but it's not worth
>>> the time trying to find out and then getting copyright approval.
>>> Sorry world, you won't get to see my daughter after all, and of
>>> course, she wouldn't approve either. At least the composer of this
>>> piece of music won't
>>> be driven out of business as a result of my unintentional thieving
>>> of his work.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You are not fooling anybody, you know; not even yourself. All the
>> hairsplitting in the world will not change what is plainly
>> obvious --
>> people
>> are taking other people's work without paying for it. If you are
>> really so stupid as to not know the difference between a film you
>> made of your baby and
>> ripping an entire commercial CD or DVD to a file sharing site then
>> there is
>> no hope for you.
>
> Well, we are indeed fortunate to have a copyright expert here to
> advise us all. For both the examples I gave above, can you please
> tell me whether I have breached copyright holders' rights if I
> upload
> both these videos to Youtube without seeking any approvals and could
> thus be sued by the rights owners? This is a serious question based
> on real facts, I'm not trying to fool anyone, believe me!
Yes, but ...
Yes, but ...
Cheap scheme.
--
Frank ess
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