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Posted by mtheory@superstrings.com on 02/14/07 21:29
"Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
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>"M-Theory" <m-theory@superstrings.com> wrote in message
>news:ncv7q2pf94jlj3h9d3q99g0cloqtfk26ft@4ax.com...
>> Why don't you "put up or shut up" as they say? Please provide proof of
>> your claim that AllofMP3 is run by "Russian criminals." I'd like to see
>> what you base your slanderous opinion on. The facts are:
>
> They're selling something that doesn't belong to them.
Uhhhh... it doesn't belong to iTunes either, or Warehouse, Tower
Records, or any other outlet. That's what an outlet is, a means to sell
music for the copyright holder.
AllofMP3 does have a mechanism to pay artists and copyright holders. The
US copyright holders have refused to apply for their royalties because
they don't want to legitimize AllofMP3. Read the facts and learn instead
of repeating angry tirades from other uninformed idiots that are simply
mad because they are stupid enough to own an iPod and are stuck with
iTunes, their ridiculous pricing scheme, and the funamentally
consumer-unfriendly DRM.
DRM will never fly. The sooner the greedy recording industry gets this
through their bean-counting heads, the better for them. In the meantime
the market will find its own sources for music. If pushed to P2P, that's
where people will go. So the industry can decide if they want fair
prices and no DRM, or high prices, DRM, and rampant P2P sharing ...or
sites like AllofMP3 that offer what the market wants and is willing to
pay.
>> 1. AllofMP3.com has been around for 6 years and has a loyal customer
>> base that is enormous by independent reports.
>
> LOL, the Mafia has been around for far more than 6 years and has a
>loyal customer base too.
Oh please. You made an allegation that AllofMP3 is run by criminals. How
does the above statement prove this? You are the one with the burden of
proof, as you have made the allegation.
>> 2. There are no reports whatsoever of identity theft or other problems
>> associated with the customer base. In fact, customers are very happy
>> with AllofMP3.
>
> Actually there have been reports of problems on this usenet group.
>Google it for yourself.
What problems? If you know and are interested in supporting your
allegation, what are they? This is just another empty statement.
>> 3. The one caveat is that, according to Wikipedia, many customers began
>> getting porn spam some months back, on email addresses that AllofMP3 had
>> for a very long time without incident. No one knows if this was a breach
>> on behalf of AOMP3 or not.
>>
>> 4. AllofMP3 knows customers were concerned about the legality of a site
>> that offered music at such reasonable prices, and therefore included
>> information about their legal standing, as per their position on Russian
>> Law.
>
> The agency they claim to be paying royalties to says that they made
>token payments for awhile, but that even that has ceased. If they are indeed
>receiving royalties what reason would they have to lie? I've post a link to
>that story here several times for other blowhards. Google it for yourself.
>Their claims are so much BS. What in the hell did you expect them to say?
See above. My second paragraph. As for the phrase "token payments" that
is a characterization intended to imply the payments were insufficient,
but the prices AllofMP3 charges are very small, so I will wait for the
courts to get to the truth of whether or not AllofMP3 was paying a fair
share based on sales, or not. If they aren't, I'm all for them paying
the standard percentage of their sales recepits. This will no doubt be a
"token" amount to the greedy RIAA who wants the market to pay more than
they are willing to pay for music.
>
>Not being a legal expert I can only say that I appreciate that they
>> assured me, as a customer, that it was a legal operation. If there is
>> some question about the law, it is for the courts to straighten out, not
>> customers. All ofMP3 did not have to include this information on their
>> site, but they did. That creates a certain amount of trust, imo. If it
>> is ill-founded or not, the courts will decide and take appropriate
>> action.
>>
>> There is no proof, that I have seen, that this site is run by
>> "criminals."
>>
>> And I see you avoided the real issue: that the RIAA could be making this
>> money themselves by starting a US-based site like AllofMP3 that sells
>> music files at the same price structure of AllofMP3.
>
> That's the *real* issue for you. For me the only issue I was posting
>about was your idiotic statements. That, they have a pretty website, so they
>can't be criminals thing is a hoot.
That you must mischaracterize my statements and position to bring
yourself a pleasing little giggle is not flattering to advertise.
>The problem with
>> the RIAA, is that it too greedy to see that cheaper music equals far
>> more sales, making volume the thing that will make them and the artists
>> more money. Instead they want to close down an affordable outlet, and
>> force a situation where people are forced to pay a buck a song (or
>> whatever outklets charge here). It won't work, b/c if AllofMP3 closes
>> down, and music is too expensive, people will just augment lower sales
>> at legit outlets with P2P type resources that don't pay ANY royalties to
>> ANYbody. The RIAA can't win by trying to force this type of situation.
>> It has to play along, or lose. If it doesn't want to play along by
>> letting AllofMP3 make the money, then the RIAA needs to start their own
>> US-based service to make the money themselves by using an AllofMP3
>> pricing structure. I would certainly choose to buy from a US-based site
>> rather than an international site, if one were available that was as
>> customer-oriented, convenient and well structured as AllofMP3.
>
> It's easy to sell something that doesn't belong to you cheap.
We already covered this. It costs the RIAA/artists/publishers ZERO money
to sell online music. ZERO. This is unlike ANY OTHER MEDIUM and is
unprecidented in the music industry. The RIAA still wants the pricing
scheme to reflect an overhead. The market sets the price of goods, not
the manufacturer. If a new car is overpriced, it won't sell, and the
manufacturer lowers the price. Same with absolutely *any* goods or
services. Music is no different. Files are literally free to duplicate
and sell online. There is the cost of maintaining a website, and
bandwidth, employees and a business structure, all absorbed by the
seller. There is ZERO cost to the publisher. So a "token" amount of
millions of dollars of songs sold at a few pennies each is still a lot
of money. It is what the market will bear. If they want more, they will
push people to P2P. It's their choice. But the market always wins.
> The RIAA
>companies are reported to get $0.75/song from the legit' sites.
75 cents for ZERO investment in the media type or its sales mechanism is
highway robbery. That's a 7500 percent profit margin! Name me one other
goods or service that has such a profit margin! I worked in the record
industry from 1980 - 1988 for an independent label and handled
royalties. The artists got 10-15% of net sales.
>Why they
>would want to sell for pennies on the dollar escapes me,
Because the market won't pay one dollar for a song *file* that cost the
artist nothing, that's why. The RIAA wants online buyers to make up for
their lost sales [in the overhead cost of] CDs, promotion, and other
expenses that have nothing to do with files as a medium.
> but as I don't own
>stock in any of the RIAA companies I'm not worried about it. I figure they
>have a far better handle on the math and economics of their situation than
>your wild guesses and wishful thinking.
They are greedy and out of touch. They will fail. They can't control the
market.
>
> The bottom line for me: The RIAA's distribution model is a dinosaur. Oh
>well, I don't own any stock--not my problem. Like it or not Allofmp3, as you
>know it, is going away. I'm getting everything I want without sending money
>to Russia so this isn't my problem. And your silly assertions are humorous,
>but not something I lose sleep over either.
AllofMP3 is not going away, and you may be unaware but there are at
least 22 other Russian sites that sell music at ALLofMP3s prices, and
still accept VISA and MC.
If the RIAA wants to keep more of the money, they need to open their own
US-based site to sell music at ALLofMP3 prices. That way they can keep
100% of the net profits. If they insist on being greedy, they will lose.
P2P is not going anywhere, even if the RIAA has the constitution to shut
down every Russian site that sells music at a reasonable price.
Again, they can't fight the market and win. No supplier of goods or
services can. The market always sets the price, and the market always
wins.
M-Theory
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