Posted by Sprite on 09/21/56 11:30

"Gunther Gloop" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Smid wrote:
>> Gunther Gloop wrote:
>>> Smid wrote:
>>>
>>>> Selfish fucker wasted that liver which could have saved a good
>>>> person.
>>>
>>> Alcoholism is not a choice. His current problems are not with the
>>> liver. Maybe his number is just up this time?
>>> It happens to most people eventually, I hear.
>>
>> I personally don't subscribe to the belief that Alcoholism is a
>> disease in the same sense that Heart condition is. If anything, its a
>> mental illness, but not even in the sense of a real one such as
>> schizophrenia or manic depression. Those can barely be controlled
>> without medication. There are functioning alcoholics who do not
>> drink, and yes, they made a choice.
>>
>> Even if I subscribed to the belief that he couldn't control himself.
>> Then he still shouldn't have had that liver.
>>
>> As for whether the belief that his current problems are directly
>> linked with his liver, the liver is one of those organs who has a
>> vast amount of different symptoms when its going wrong. I've heard of
>> stomach aches, persistent coughs and all sorts of maliases caused by
>> liver damage. Plus, when the owner is a transplantee abusing the organ
>> transplated already, you'd be safe to say that its related to that
>> organ. Unless he was hit by a bus or something...
>>
>
> So whatever he eventually died from it'd be due to him damaging his liver?
> (barring bus crash & other sudden accidents)

Nope but depending on what it was it'd be very likely I'd say... he's got
kidney trouble at the moment and that's very likely I think to be linked to
alcohol if they are/have been working over time to clean things up a bit
once you've got past the liver. And the intestine stuff.. well, there's
that word I can't spell, sounds like "varises", and alcoholics end up with
them bleeding but I know they're further up somewhere, think in the
oesophagus but might be wrong. (A Level Human Biology you think I'd be able
to explain a bit more)... anyway again if that can happen due to alcohol,
I'm sure it can stuff up the intestines too.

Also for what it's worth, transplantees can and do have a lot of trouble
post-transplant. I know a guy with a heart transplant, not quite the same
obviously, but he's later developed all sorts of conditions - severe
diabetes being one of them - as not just a result of it but also from the
medications that you need to take.

> I have no problem with your viewpoint per se, but you don't know the guy
> or what's going on in his mind. I don't either of course, but I'm not the
> one judging him.

It makes me sad that it's come to this... he could've done more to seek out
professional help like so many people do, but his help was the alcohol...

--
Sue

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