Posted by doc on 10/03/05 18:00

that is some really interesting reading and does exploit exactly what i am
seeing in the output. i am guessing that the camera has a setting on it
that adjustable for recording format and becuase it's a testing unit someone
has set it messing around (or even me when i was punching buttons to see
what they do) and got the order set to top field first when the software
selected bottom field first. will try the modified capture and our output
setting this evening and see if that's it. geez, always something. one
must know what all those swtiches mean in LIQUID output - - AND - - the
manual is not very helfful at all at explaining a lot of this other than
this switch controls this element (BUT) what is it that that element does,
your supposed to already know :o)

guess i better get one of those suggested readings huh? maybe the "dummies"
one? :o)

doc

"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dhfsbl$um2$1@news.xmission.com...
> In article <4cG_e.5082$j_3.3511@trndny07>, "doc" <doc@drdimento.net>
> wrote:
>>how would i do that? and what does it mean when you GMan says the field
>>order might be backwards? what is that? and how to correct? i'd love to
>>make LE work just from the multicam perspective and we'll probably go
>>ahead
>>and buy the edius 3 anywho just because i installed the trial version,
>>captured, and made the output dvd for presentation in one hour and i had
>>no
>>idea what soever what i was doing other than clicking a bunch of buttons
>>and
>>see what worked and what didn't.
>>
>
> From my limited understanding of the matter, It has something to do with
> how
> the capture begins to aquire the interlaced signal from a source. If it
> starts
> out in the wrong order and captures the field or frame of an interlace
> source
> in the wrong order, it can cause zig zag lines, jumpy images etc....
>
>
> Heres a breif explanation of the issue.
>
> http://www.greatdv.com/video/fields.htm
>
>>however, for now i must be able to choose which shot angle from three
>>different cameras and if i could figure out how to do that easily with
>>canopus i'd sure give it a shot, because one thing i absolutely hate about
>>all pinnacle products that i've tried thus far (studio 8, studio 9 =
>>diasaster, and liquid edition 6) is the way they put files and parts and
>>pieces of a project all over the place between the hd, the data drive, and
>>the external drive. geez, trying to find a file outside of LE is like
>>looking for keys after a 3 day drunk :o( thank God i don't drink anymore
>>:o)
>>
>>doc
>>
>>
>>"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:pjC_e.2739$Fc4.1956@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4OB_e.12804$L15.11937@trndny01...
>>>> we did find a solution but just using canopus procoder and that worked
>>>> and wah lah the dvd output looks just like the mini DV tape and thus
>>>> we're good to go (although we wanted to use liquid edition for this
>>>> event
>>>> that will last for 3 years and not canopus) o well, as they say,
>>>> "things
>>>> happen" :o)
>>>>
>>>> doc
>>>>
>>>> "GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dhcmsg$no2$1@news.xmission.com...
>>>>> In article <9zpZe.1579$%L4.46@trndny02>, "doc" <doc@drdimento.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>nope. actually it looks great on the pc and in the camcorder pop out
>>>>>>lcd,
>>>>>>but on the tv it's terrible, very noticable, and actually so bad it
>>>>>>distracts from the viewing, jerky, rachetting, or fragmented, (not
>>>>>>pixelated) but almost like every other frame (or a few frames) are
>>>>>>missing
>>>>>>between each of those that are seen. almost like an old silent
>>>>>>picture
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>one of those hand movies that you sorta fan. know what i mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>lacing??? hmmmmm how would i know? and how to fix?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It almost sounds like your captrue device or its capture codec is the
>>>>> getting
>>>>> the "field order" backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:wogZe.842$Fc4.506@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7Y6Ze.3780$L15.3061@trndny01...
>>>>>>>> me too. geez.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> u know i'm struggling with something right now. ever capture some
>>>>>>>> DV
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> it views fine in the software then when it's exported (or make -
>>>>>>>> whichever is preferred :o) to DVD the images are choppy when there
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> pans or zooms in and out?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc,
>>>>>>> you mean when you view the mpeg encoded images on the PC?
>>>>>>> Cause that could be normal interlacing you are seeing, that isn't
>>>>>>> visible
>>>>>>> when viewed on regular tv after it's a dvd.
>>>>>>> In the very beginning of dvd making, I experienced the same, and it
>>>>>>> drove
>>>>>>> me nuts till someone told me it was nothing.
>>>>>>> Some of the cheap encoders, nowadays add a feature called
>>>>>>> de-interlacing
>>>>>>> or progressive capture, both avoid this effect that I am talking
>>>>>>> about when viewed on a computer screen in the editing program. But
>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>> you are talking about something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AnthonyR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Doc,
>>> Glad you were able to burn a good dvd using the Canopus ProCoder,
>>> Canopus
>>> has a great DV ang mpeg codecs.
>>> But maybe the tip GMan offerred about field order being backward is
>>> something to try and set in LE if you want to fiddle.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> AnthonyR.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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