Posted by Bob on 11/17/05 10:54

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:19:10 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>>> You shouldn't be doing any "rendering" with TDA, if by that
>>>>you mean a lengthy encoding. You could try using VideoReDo's
>>>>Quickfix ( with the MF option turned off) on those MF4 rendered
>>>>clips. Then just feed them to TDA, clicking on the Blue "Add new
>>>>track..." text, between clips. It should take only couple of seconds
>>>>for each clip in Quickfix. And the usual 15-20min to write the
>>>>VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS folders. The MF4 clips are almost
>>>>DVD compliant MPEG and it's possible that TDA could use them
>>>>directly as they are, but I would think the few seconds with
>>>>Quickfix, have to be worth it.

>Does quoting the above mean that the following applies
>to what you are doing with the MF4 clips?

Basically yes. I used VRD's Quickstream Fix (aka "Quickfix") with "MF
option" off on the MF4 rendered clips (MF4 exports). Then I imported
them into TDA using "Add new track".

> After you click the "Save As..." button, the "Save As"/output
>window pops up. In the bottom right corner there is an "Options"
>button. One of the options is "Bit Rate:", set it to 8Mbps. But
>this only changes what is recorded in the header, it has no actual
>effect on the video. It may make the clip acceptable to other
>programs though.

I found the "options" button on the VRD Quickfix output box and set
the bitrate to 10Mbps as instructed in Help, viz.:.

"Technical Note: If you specify a bit rate override of 10 Mbps,
VideoReDo will assume that you want the MPEG headers to correspond to
DVD specifications. The video bit rate will be set to 9.80 Mbps less
the audio bit rate, and the overall program stream mux rate will be
set to 10.08 Mbps."

But the results gave the same PTS error, which I ignored. I then
imported the fixed MPG into TDA and the input dialog said 9.544 Mbps.
It rendered without incident. So it would appear that I will have to
Quickfix all my MF4 clips with the 10Mbps bit rate in VRD. There's a
Batch Manager - I wonder how I could put that to use to save having to
do the fixes manually one file at a time.

I played this TDA-rendered output in WinDVD and it works just fine.
The text I overlaid for the menu is preserved on the clip as I wanted
it. So far,so good. I still have to learn menu construction, but at
least I am past this important hurdle.

I am really beginning to like TDA - it seems to work, which is so
refreshing. MF4 was broken at the very outset. I wish I had known
about it before I wasted all that time with MF4.

>> I played the 3-clip DVD I just made and the menu only has one entry.
>> Yet it showed 3 entries in TDA.

> Did you tell TDA to ignore the warning about two of your
>three clips?

Yes.

However, when I tried to use another clip that I had fixed at 10Mbps
with VRD, TDA said it was not compliant because the combined rate was
slighter higher than DVD compliant.

It would appear that VRD has a bug, namely the claim that selecting
10Mbps forces DVD compliance is wrong. It is not wrong by very much
but it is wrong according to TDA.

For now I will Ignore this error so I can test the menu items you call
out right below here.

>How >many VTS are there, in the VIDEO_TS folder? VTS_01 ,
>VTS_02, and VTS_03 or just VTS_01?

VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.IFO
VIDEO_TS.VOB
VTS_01_0.BUP
VTS_01_0.IFO
VTS_01_0.VOB
VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_02_0.BUP
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_0.VOB
VTS_02_1.VOB
VTS_03_0.BUP
VTS_03_0.IFO
VTS_03_0.VOB
VTS_03_1.VOB

The DVD begins with the first title instead of the menu as I want. I
need to study that writeup I printed that you furnished in an earlier
post.

But the menu still only has 1 entry - I can't find the other two
titles.

>There is certainly something wrong with the clips.

That's because they were rendered with MF4. MF4 should have made them
DVD compliant - that's the option I selected when I did the "export".

This is yet another example of how bug-ridden MF4 really is. The Ulead
shills on these forums have never put it thru the paces and even if
they did they don't understand enough to notice a problem.

As long as home video of "Sunday at the beach" comes out OK, they
extrapolate this simplistic exercise to everything and claim nothing
is wrong with MF4. I am telling everyone who wants to listen that
something is very definitely wrong with MF4 - it's a piece of crap.

No wonder Ulead ignored my offer to become a beta test site - they
don't even know what beta test is.

>We need to establish what their parameters are. If they are
>the MF4 files you passed through a two pass encoding
>then you should have those parameters.

Yes, I did use Two Pass rendering. I also told MF4 not to render
compliant MPGs. But it rendered them anyway.

>As you said that your source was a DVD, you should not have needed
>to do that encoding, by the way.

If I did not do Two Pass rendering, the clips has serious audio sync
problems. I was forced to do Two Pass. Using QuickStream Fix in VRD to
fix the audio sync problems did not work. Only forcing a resync
(Adjust Audio Sync) worked in VRD and only Two Pass worked in MF4 (but
not on all clips - I still had to fix one with VRD forced resync).

>And it could be the cause
>of the clips, that came from a DVD, now not being DVD
>compliant. )

Wonderful. Now we have a Catch-22. Why does this not surprise me.

> If the clips are not some of the MF4 clips, then were they
>extracted from your original DVD?

The clips I am reporting on are MF4 clips.

>If so, how was it done?
>Did you try the TDA "Add DVD video..." button process?
>Did you copy the .vob to your hard drive and use VideoReDo
>on them?

I will be using virgin clips after I get the MF4 clips successfully
transferred to TDA.

Again thanks for your assistance and please comment further.

BTW, I thought there was a manual for TDA but I can't find it. Maybe
they expect you to use Help instead.




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