Posted by Ken Maltby on 02/07/06 19:04

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
news:43e8cf8b.22001484@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:00:39 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
> <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Bob's stated position is that the software is defective if it doesn't
>>function in the manner he expects it to.
>
> I would like to see you prove that absurd allegation. You can't.
>
> My stated position is that "software is defective if it doesn't
> function in the manner it claims to."
>
> AGK claims to convert DVDs that have subtitles into AVIs that have a
> subtitle. There is no restriction mentioned in the specification that
> says you cannot use clips made from DVD Shrink or that they must be a
> certain length or the sync will be lost.
>
>> Since his subtitles play when the .ifo file is included, but not
>>when played from the .vob; the subpicture stream must be
>>referenced/played to see the subtitles. This is how DVDs
>>work.
>
> I always reference the IFO when I use AGK. That's what the
> specifications require.
>
> I know that this is the correct way because AGK shows the subtitle
> name ("English") in the Subtitle dialog. It also states that it has
> prepared the subtitle in the Log.
>
>> You can't add subtitles to an AVI file.
>
> AutoGK can.
>
> +++
> http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN
>
> If you want burnt in subtitles, then choose your subtitle track. The
> default setting is for burned in or subtitles embedded into the video
> (i.e. you cannot switch them on or off dynamically). If you would
> prefer to have external subs, then check that box in Advanced
> Settings.
> +++
>
>>It's a limitation of the format.
>
> Have you ever used AGK with subtitles? Have you ever read the
> tutorial?
>
>>You have to keep them as a separate file or use an OGM or MKV
>>container.
>
> You clearly do not understand what the author of AGK means by "burnt
> in subtitles". RTFM.
>
>> So to play back there is a file (.srt or one of several others)
>>included with the .avi, and it's the player that adds the subtitles during
>>playback.
>
> That's how SimpleDivX works. You must include the separate subtitle
> files in order to see subtitles with your AVI. But even with subtitle
> files, SimpleDivX also fails to convert them properly with clips made
> from DVD Shrink.
>
>> The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over the
>>video,
>
> Now you are making up terms that contradict the ones used by the
> authot of AGK.
>
> He says you can have "burned in or subtitles embedded into the video".
> You are using this new term "subtitles over the video".
>
> If you know so much about this stuff, why don't you get the source
> code from the author and pick up where he is leaving off. But that
> begs the question of whether you know how to program.
>
>

You twist and distort my post, just like you twist a program
into knots till you find a way it doesn't work. This is not the
first thread you have done this little dance. You claim that
"AutoGK (has) Subtitle Problems" but you admit that it handles
a complete conversion with no problems, and it is only where
you have chopped up the streams that these "problems" develop.

The terms I used, in no way contradict the authors terms. I said
that: "The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over
the video, and the subtitles can't be turned on or off." This is a
description, not a naming contest. Both the author's terms and
mine are meant to convey the fact that the "subtitle" text is made into
a permanent part of the image, and not a selectable feature, as in a
DVD.

The AVI container cannot mux a Subtitle stream. The OGM and
MKV containers can. For the playback of an AVI video to include
a selectable Subtitle there must be additional files and the player
must be able to use those files to add the Subtitle during playback.

AutoGK has to convert the DVD's subpicture stream and the
indexing that plays the subpicture image of text, at the correct point
within the DVD's own indexing. Chopping up pieces of MPEG
changes the indexing/reference points involved. Within the DVD
this navigation data is maintained in more than one place and they
must all match. It would come as no surprise to hear that a program
would have difficulty extracting only part of the streams and trying
to piece together the continuous video of the movie with the not so
continuous subtitle.

Just because you can find a way to make a program fail, doesn't
mean there is anything wrong with AutoGK, that would effect a
normal person's use of it. And this is what your posts are always
about. You never want to examine ways to accomplish a task,
just gripe about how the software can't jump through the hoops
you conger up.

Ken

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