Posted by Goro on 11/15/69 11:39

Ken Maltby wrote:
> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> news:43e8cf8b.22001484@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:00:39 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
> > <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Bob's stated position is that the software is defective if it doesn't
> >>function in the manner he expects it to.
> >
> > I would like to see you prove that absurd allegation. You can't.
> >
> > My stated position is that "software is defective if it doesn't
> > function in the manner it claims to."
> >
> > AGK claims to convert DVDs that have subtitles into AVIs that have a
> > subtitle. There is no restriction mentioned in the specification that
> > says you cannot use clips made from DVD Shrink or that they must be a
> > certain length or the sync will be lost.
> >
> >> Since his subtitles play when the .ifo file is included, but not
> >>when played from the .vob; the subpicture stream must be
> >>referenced/played to see the subtitles. This is how DVDs
> >>work.
> >
> > I always reference the IFO when I use AGK. That's what the
> > specifications require.
> >
> > I know that this is the correct way because AGK shows the subtitle
> > name ("English") in the Subtitle dialog. It also states that it has
> > prepared the subtitle in the Log.
> >
> >> You can't add subtitles to an AVI file.
> >
> > AutoGK can.
> >
> > +++
> > http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN
> >
> > If you want burnt in subtitles, then choose your subtitle track. The
> > default setting is for burned in or subtitles embedded into the video
> > (i.e. you cannot switch them on or off dynamically). If you would
> > prefer to have external subs, then check that box in Advanced
> > Settings.
> > +++
> >
> >>It's a limitation of the format.
> >
> > Have you ever used AGK with subtitles? Have you ever read the
> > tutorial?
> >
> >>You have to keep them as a separate file or use an OGM or MKV
> >>container.
> >
> > You clearly do not understand what the author of AGK means by "burnt
> > in subtitles". RTFM.
> >
> >> So to play back there is a file (.srt or one of several others)
> >>included with the .avi, and it's the player that adds the subtitles during
> >>playback.
> >
> > That's how SimpleDivX works. You must include the separate subtitle
> > files in order to see subtitles with your AVI. But even with subtitle
> > files, SimpleDivX also fails to convert them properly with clips made
> > from DVD Shrink.
> >
> >> The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over the
> >>video,
> >
> > Now you are making up terms that contradict the ones used by the
> > authot of AGK.
> >
> > He says you can have "burned in or subtitles embedded into the video".
> > You are using this new term "subtitles over the video".
> >
> > If you know so much about this stuff, why don't you get the source
> > code from the author and pick up where he is leaving off. But that
> > begs the question of whether you know how to program.
> >
> >
>
> You twist and distort my post, just like you twist a program
> into knots till you find a way it doesn't work. This is not the
> first thread you have done this little dance. You claim that
> "AutoGK (has) Subtitle Problems" but you admit that it handles
> a complete conversion with no problems, and it is only where
> you have chopped up the streams that these "problems" develop.
>
> The terms I used, in no way contradict the authors terms. I said
> that: "The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over
> the video, and the subtitles can't be turned on or off." This is a
> description, not a naming contest. Both the author's terms and
> mine are meant to convey the fact that the "subtitle" text is made into
> a permanent part of the image, and not a selectable feature, as in a
> DVD.
>
> The AVI container cannot mux a Subtitle stream. The OGM and
> MKV containers can. For the playback of an AVI video to include
> a selectable Subtitle there must be additional files and the player
> must be able to use those files to add the Subtitle during playback.
>
> AutoGK has to convert the DVD's subpicture stream and the
> indexing that plays the subpicture image of text, at the correct point
> within the DVD's own indexing. Chopping up pieces of MPEG
> changes the indexing/reference points involved. Within the DVD
> this navigation data is maintained in more than one place and they
> must all match. It would come as no surprise to hear that a program
> would have difficulty extracting only part of the streams and trying
> to piece together the continuous video of the movie with the not so
> continuous subtitle.
>
> Just because you can find a way to make a program fail, doesn't
> mean there is anything wrong with AutoGK, that would effect a
> normal person's use of it. And this is what your posts are always
> about. You never want to examine ways to accomplish a task,
> just gripe about how the software can't jump through the hoops
> you conger up.
>
> Ken

I find Bob somewhat tiresome to listen to. He's the kind of newbie
that learns just a bit to be able to spout off bordeline correct but
cumbersome statements that people can't quite understand. Since he's
really unwilling to do anything more than a "1-step" process, it's
almost pointless to discuss anything with him.

-goro-

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