Posted by Deke on 11/16/16 11:39

Tom, I really appreciate your point of view.
Thanks for the exchange of ideas.
I'm leaving Saturday for two weeks in Key West, and I've got lots to do
between now and then, so I wont be able to continue this thread.
You take care, and Thanks again.

Dennis

"w_tom" <w_tom1@usa.net> wrote in message
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> Correctly noted. Your 'primary' protector is installed by the
> utility. It should have existed and been earthed long ago. A primary
> protector is only a connection to protection. Some pictures of
> protection that must be inspected and repaired:
> http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html
> You did not have primary and secondary protection? Therefore
> protection inside some appliances was overwhelmed.
>
> To be damaged, a transient would be greater than 600 volts. Some
> appliances have even better internal protection. Any protection
> provided by a plug-in protector was already inside that appliance. By
> your own admission, some appliances without plug-in protectors were not
> damaged. Again, the mythical 'invisible' protector - or 'real world'
> internal appliance protection (as well as where it was connected to a
> larger system)? Which was it?
>
> Internal protection also makes household internally generated
> transients mythical. In reality, those internally generated transients
> are trivial noise. Noise that is 'hyped into major transient by myth
> purveyors' promoting plug-in protectors. If household internal
> generated transients were destructive, then you are visiting a hardware
> store daily to replace clock radios, dimmer switches, and bathroom
> GFCIs. In reality, destructive household transients are myths.
> Meanwhile a 'whole house' protector would also eliminate household
> generated transients. This 'whole house' solution again contradicts
> Deke's wild speculation about household generated transients.
>
> But show me Deke? What is the voltage of a transient generated by
> each appliance? What are those numbers you forgot to provide? Missing
> numbers - a symptom of junk science reasoning.
>
> Secondary protection is the 'whole house' protector. It earths a
> few transients that might overwhelm appliance internal protection.
> Protection that was defined even with a number. Just like that utility
> pole 'primary' protector, 'secondary protector is only as good as its
> earth ground.
>
> Remember earth ground? What plug-in protectors neither have nor
> discuss because they don't provide effective protection.
>
> This is not about Deke. He has heard Rush Limbaugh types promote
> these plug-in protectors and therefore knows all. This is a warning to
> others about how and why plug-in protectors get recommended - even when
> its manufacture does not make such claims. How does one identify
> effective protectors? A protector is only as effective as its earth
> ground - ie the above 'primary' and 'secondary' protectors. Plug-in
> protectors have no dedicated earthing connection.
>
> Deke, there is no reason for me to file any lawsuit. I am not the
> one who assumed it would do what even the manufacturer does not claim.
> You are promoting that myth. You should sue yourself because you have
> unnecessary damage.
>
> Since protection inside plug-in protectors connects in parallell,
> then those protectors should have protected all other household
> appliances. Why were those other appliances damaged when you had
> plug-in protectors? Or do you promote another myth that power strip
> protectors sit between the appliance and a transient - to block or stop
> what three miles of sky could not.
>
> Real world protectors are only as effective as its earth ground - why
> that utility installed 'primary' protector is earthed.
>
> Deke wrote:
> > Where did I say that nothing was damaged? Actually, there was quite a
bit
> > of damage, from coffee pots, microwave, dryer, washer, waterbed heater,
and
> > other things I cant recall. But everything that was expensive, or a
pain in
> > the butt to replace (60" tv, vintage electronics, new electronics,
satellite
> > receivers, freezers, refrigerator) was plugged into
> > surge protectors, and was not harmed. Thats proof enough for me.
> > I now also have a surge protector installed at the power pole to my
house.
> > It was installed by the power coop, but it will only protect transients
> > coming thru the power grid, not originating on my side of the meter,
such as
> > a lightning strike.
> > As I said, I live in a very rural area, surge protectors are widely used
in
> > this area, and they work. Even the local power coop sells the power
strip
> > type. Most all my neighbors have protectors on their well pumps, and
so do
> > I.
> > If what you say is true, I suggest you file a class action suit against
all
> > those dirty rotten scamming companies that make surge protectors. Since
> > none of them work, according to you, you could be a billionaire.
> > Have a nice day.
>

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