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Posted by NoNoBadDog! on 06/02/06 22:53
"John" <Johnnospam@spamex.com> wrote in message
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> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
>> "John" <Johnnospam@spamex.com> wrote in message
>> news:XvydnWMmCbzlBh3ZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
>>>> I
>>>> "Ralf Hutter" <yowsa@mindblown.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 03:28:06 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"
>>>>> <Diespammers@notme.com> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> I am retired military.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I am an employed American. We're paying for your retirement,
>>>>> which is more than we'll get, thanks to this VERY expensive and
>>>>> seemingly pointless waste of good American lives.
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> I earned my retirement, same as everyone else. I earned for it
>>>> through pain and suffering, blood sweat and tears. I earned it
>>>> through fighting in two wars. I earned it by being uprooted and
>>>> moved all over the world on a continual basis. I earned it by doing
>>>> what needed to be done. I am also paying for my own retirement. The
>>>> part of my retirement that is not covered under my disability,
>>>> I pay taxes on. I paid a portion of each of my active duty
>>>> paychecks into the system for my retirement. You pay into it too,
>>>> but it does not pay me. I paid for my own reitrement. It is money
>>>> that I paid in ever the course of my service. Your choice of
>>>> emplyment and retirement benefits are yoru concern,
>>>> not mine.
>>>
>>> In your time of hard honest work were there guys like Ken Lay around?
>>> http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2002/02/enron_insure.html
>>>
>>> Did your medical benefits cut so deep as to force you to chose
>>> between health and food?
>>> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/597092781?ltl=1149278670
>>> Were you or others having their pensions swindled out from
>>> underneath by policies from Government that encouraged this?
>>> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006603080339
>>>
>>> Were you wages continually going up or down?
>>> http://www.itpaa.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1971
>>>
>>> Do you feel betrayed by your government? Many do and rightly so
>>> wouldn't you think?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You are awfully good at complaining and pointing fingers...
>>
>> How would you fix it? What programs would you dreate to pay for
>> evrything that every one wants, and no one wants to pay for?
>>
>> How would you decide which programs get funded and which programs get
>> cut?
>
> To begin with there is the issue of tax cuts in favor of those that need
> it the very least. Never before have there been tax cuts while asking
> congress for more funds to pay for a war that was supposed to pay for
> itself with free Iraqi oil subsadies. There is not extra money to go
> around meaning that cuts in programs have to be made. These are to many to
> list here and now. Would take more time than you or I have.
>>
>> None of your links are applicable.
>
> Please explain this.
>>
>> I have never had to choose between medical treatment or food. I have
>> 100% medical coverage, and all of my medications are covered, too. They
>> don't cost a thing, other than 23 years of my life, being
>> severely wounded twice in combat, and my wife and kids neverhaving
>> any stabiltity in their lives.
>
>
> I am truely happy for you and sad as you make my point that others now and
> in the future will not be so lucky. This counrty owes it future to China.
>>
>> The references to Ken Lay and others are not relevant; the extent of
>> human greed knows no boundaries; people get away with what they can
>> get away with. The fix is simple; a cap on corporate salaries and a
>> reasonable retirement package. No single poerson is worth the kind
>> of money some of these types are drawing.
>
>
> Again you insist on backing my claims. Thank you very much.
>>
>> As for Enron and others who lost their pensions...it is sad that they
>> were duped, but the warning bells were going off long before the
>> crash. No one bothered to investigate...they just went on believing
>> what they were being told by Enron execs. they have no one but
>> themselves to blame. Some tried to stop the train wreck, but they
>> were fired.
> Kenny boy is going to jail for pretending that Enron was doing fine while
> it was not. People were duped and you seem to be happy at this.
>
>> My wages continue to go up. I have never once in my life had to
>> accept a pay cut. I work for a reasonable wage, and I am not so
>> greedy as to demand more. I understand the basic tenets of our
>> economy, and I live comfortably. I do not desire to have something I
>> can't earn honestly or do not deserve. I don't want something for
>> nothing. I do not erxpect to have anything handed to me on a silver
>> platter. I do not feel I am owed anyhting other that what I have
>> earned.
>
>
> You are again saying what I am trying to point out. The future of this
> country will not follow your path. Why this not making any sence to you is
> beyond me. I am on your side but you seem to want to hate someone while I
> feel grief for my great grandchildren and the future debt incurred do to
> total fiscal irresponsibility.
>>
>
>
>
No, you missed my point entirely.
Your links were to examples of the excess that is happening daily in this
country.
I addressed each one and demonstrated how it either does not apply to me or
to possible solutions to the problems.
You asked if I ever had to choose between medicine and food. I responded.
I responded to each point in turn.
The responses required no understanding on anyone's part. I was stating
facts as they apply in my case.
I did not support your claims or links in any way at all.
I gave you an example of my experience.
If you cannot accept my answers, so be it.
I live my life every day. I have no problems whatsoever understanding what
I must and must not do to maintain my lifestyle.
The problem lies in the fact that the current generation wants everything.
They want to work at a job where they don't really have to do anything.
They want a huge salary and bonuses. They want 100 days of paid vacation
every year. They want all medical and dental expenses paid for. They want
paid sick leave. They want paid hospitalization. They want paid child
care. They want it all on a silver platter.
My generation, and my fathers generation, understood that sometimes one must
sacrifice. The current generation does not know that the word sacrifice
even exists.
I did not create this situation. The situation is not irreversible. But
the current generation would literally burn the country to the ground rather
than have to earn something legitimately.
There are only so many dollars to go around. There are only so many
programs that can be funded.
I agree that the current financial outlook is grim. I do what *I* can to
correct it, by studying politicians and their values and electing ones that
I think will do the right thing.
Unfortunately, the liberal bias in this country will continue to lead us
down this path. No one in the government has the courage to tell the
current generation that they must earn and pay for their "benefits".
No one tells them that no past generation has had everything handed to them
on a silver platter, and they should not expect it either.
I am not arguing your points, I just gave my examples and how they do not
apple towards me.
When the bubble bursts, we will all suffer. Those of us that know what
sacrifice and hard work is, will adapt to whatever extent adaptation will be
possible. Those that have no concept of society or anything greater than
themselves will suffer far more than I. They have no tools and no courage
with which to survive.
I did not want this to deteriorate into a diatribe on this country's current
problems. That subject alone could drag on for years.
John, please just understand that there are those of us who have planned and
saved and invested to secure our futures. We should not have to bail out
anyone who is not willing to do the same.
You cannot have your cake and eat it, too. Those they know that and live
their life accordingly will survive. the rest will not.
Bobby
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