Posted by RichardK on 06/13/06 11:46

NRen2k5 wrote:
> RichardK wrote:
>
>> NRen2k5 wrote:
>>
>>> Jim wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <Kwujg.26732$G97.418555@weber.videotron.net>, NRen2k5 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NRen2k5 <nomore@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. Because regardless, there is that illegal lock-in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time for you to put up or shut up. Show *exactly* how it is illegal.
>>>>>>> Cite the *exact* law that's being broken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an electrical tech, not a fuckdamn lawyer. I ALREADY linked you
>>>>> to the Wikipedia articles on anti-competition law and vendor
>>>>> lock-ins, which you not surprisingly had nothing to say about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What did you expect? You cited *Wikipedia* for fuck's sake!
>>>>
>>>> Cite the exact law, not just generalisations based on your own personal
>>>> feelings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hire a lawyer if you want to find the exact law. I am now a lawyer.
>>
>>
>> Find the exact law if you want to do something other than repeat
>> baseless accusations you have no understanding of. If you cannot cite
>> the exact law, then you cannot prove that it is illegal, and
>> therefore, you're just stating opinion, and your opinion is a: wrong,
>> and b: has no basis in fact.
>
>
> It will be up to the courts to decide when it comes to that, which it will.

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Apple have merely retained their IP for
their own use; they haven't, like SOME firms, used their market position
to break other people's devices or software. Court cases in Europe are
not about Apple's dominance of the market, but about consumer's rights
to use ANY product - be it Napster, Urge or iTMS - in certain ways that
some people seem to have decided are "RIGHTS" (another rant), when in
fact most DRM is entirely reasonable under the circumstances.
Regardless, the consumer knows these limitations and still chooses to
buy the product; it's a free market and they are free to not buy the
product - you do NOT need iTMS to load music onto an iPod, you don't
need Napster to load music onto a WMA device - they are simply
additional options for people to use.

The only DRM I have any objection to is the CD-based DRM which prevents
you from listening to the CD in the computer (and in some cases, opens
up your Windows machine to all sorts of trouble). The fact that
Napster's is more restrictive, and Napsters model is lower value, is not
a matter of 'courts' or 'rights', it's simply a matter of Bad Marketing.
Cut and Dried. iTMS is a better product, both on paper and in terms of
success.

Until such a court case materialises, I suggest you stick to your
opinion and don't state it as fact, and be prepared for people to laugh
at it when you haven't thought it through logically or with all the
information available.

Richard

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