Posted by riclanders on 07/23/06 02:49

Bob Ford wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2006 16:56:30 -0700, riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >Bob Ford wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:28:36 GMT, Bill Fright
> >> <billfright@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> Bob Ford wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>On 21 Jul 2006 22:36:12 -0700, riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>William Davis wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>In article <1153493202.410834.326570@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >>>>> riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Ty Ford wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:31:52 -0400, riclanders@gmail.com wrote
> >> >>>>>>>(in article <1153485112.655687.178680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm hearing the Senneiser 300 is a great mike except for its delicate
> >> >>>>>>>>>cable which is prone to go bad if stretched.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>Is there a similar quality mike with a more durable cable for under
> >> >>>>>>>>>$200?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>ric
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>May be able to answer my own question here. The Rode video mic at $149.
> >> >>>>>>>>seems to be a much better deal and the RODE NT3-HYPER CARDIOID at $199.
> >> >>>>>>>>seems to be better yet.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>ric
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>If you do a lot of run and gun shooting, the VideoMic will wiggle audibly.
> >> >>>>>>>If
> >> >>>>>>>shooting on a tripod or slow handheld, it's very nice.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Regards,
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Ty Ford
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Thanks,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>What about the RODE NT3-HYPER CARDIOID?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>ric
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
> >> >>>>>>>stuff are at www.tyford.com
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>ric
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>We're all trying to be gentle and kind here, but it's difficult because
> >> >>>>>you keep trying to get us to validate something we're just not
> >> >>>>>comfortable validating.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>In my seminars, one typical audience ³light bulb moment is when I do the
> >> >>>>>following exercise.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>I'd get the audience to close their eyes - then I'd announce ³Hi, my
> >> >>>>>name is Bill Davis and I've been making video professionally for more
> >> >>>>>than 15 years.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Then I'd ask them to open their eyes and I'd silently mouth the words ³I
> >> >>>>>live in Scottsdale, Arizona on an old horse property the barn of which
> >> >>>>>I've converted into a purpose-built video production studio
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Then I'd ask them to tell me which ³presentation mode they got the most
> >> >>>>>information out of. AUDIO without VIDEO or VIDEO without AUDIO.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>The point is that in most typical videos the AUDIO track actually does
> >> >>>>>more of the communications ³heavy lifting than does the VIDEO.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>If you want to rest that component of your work on an inexpensive mic
> >> >>>>>with a suspect cable, hey man, you go right ahead.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Its simply that most of us would NEVER consider any mic that didn't have
> >> >>>>>a long, solid, verifiable track record of performance in actual field
> >> >>>>>conditions in these circumstances.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Maybe the RODE gizmo is the next great field production mic and we just
> >> >>>>>don't know about it. Or maybe it's a fragile gizmo with a 100% margin,
> >> >>>>>lots of marketing bucks, and no place in any videographers bag. We don't
> >> >>>>>know, because we haven't used it and likely NEVER WILL use it. Because
> >> >>>>>our time and work is too important for trial and error and there are
> >> >>>>>already time tested products that we KNOW work correctly.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You want to try it out. Go right ahead. If you and a couple of dozen
> >> >>>>>other guys start raving about it, it MIGHT earn a place in our bags -
> >> >>>>>provided one of our EV-635s or Beyer M-58s or Sony 672s or one of the
> >> >>>>>other couple of dozen mics that we've all had knocking around in our
> >> >>>>>bags and that are still working flawlessly after 15 or 20 years without
> >> >>>>>a failure gets run over by a road grader or something.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Nothing wrong with asking these kind of questions.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Nothing wrong with not taking the answers and doing it your own way,
> >> >>>>>either.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You want to learn though your own trial and error - have at it.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Most of us had to at some point.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Welcome to the club.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Not to put too fine a point on on it, but the people at Dvcreators.net
> >> >>>>have now think the
> >> >>>>RODE Videomic at $149 offers more value than the Senneiser 300 at
> >> >>>>$199. They, in fact, no longer recommend the Senneiser 300.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Is your point I should ignore this and select the Senneiser 300 over
> >> >>>>the Rode anyway?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>ric
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My Gawd man, how many different people and how many different ways
> >> >>>does someone have to say it to you.
> >> >>>If you have your heart set on it, buy it.....
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Bob Ford
> >> >>>Images In Motion
> >> >>>www.imagesinmotion.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> When question, Bob: Are you off your medication again or is it just
> >> >> that time of the month?
> >> >>
> >> >> ric
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >well it looks like the amature just burned his trial membership with the
> >> >experienced players. Actually I thought you guys treated ric pretty well
> >> >considering he didn't appear to actually understand anything you guys wrote.
> >> >
> >> >bill
> >> You got that right Bill!
> >>
> >> At my age I got over having my time of the month long ago.
> >>
> >> I also don't use med's, drugs, alcohol or any other mind altering
> >> substances, nor do I have any tats or body piercings.
> >>
> >> I've just been quite content running my little video production biz
> >> for over 22 years now so I'm afraid Riccy is on his own.
> >>
> >> A respected pro on this group sent me a private e-mail comparing him
> >> to old Conduit;"-)
> >> Bob Ford
> >> Images In Motion
> >> www.imagesinmotion.com
> >
> >I should say I don't believe all the negative hype about this newsgroup
> >being composed of pompous blowhards who have turned running-off newbies
> >into an art form. I lurked before posting and concluded this assessment
> >of the group is not entirely true.
> >
> >But, as a fellow pointed out to me in email, the knee-jerk answers you
> >get here are often out-dated or not the best for newbies. This thread
> >may illustrate that. Mind you, no one is disputing the regulars who
> >replied are seasoned pros with more knowledge about video production
> >than God; the point the fellow who emailed me was making, I think, is
> >that each took it as an act of subversion that a lowly newbie dare
> >question his word.
> >
> >I suppose the fellow who emailed me this opinion had a point. In his
> >email he also referred to the respondents as small-brained wedding
> >photographers and bankruptcy-prone shop keepers, names I feel also
> >exaggerate.
> >
> >Still, I agree things could have been handled more maturely.
> >
> >ric
>
> You are too damned stupid to try to deal with.
> You were treated quite nicely in the beginning, even by me but when
> you ask questions, get answers and then continue to try to persuade
> those who gave you the answers to validate decisions it appears you
> have already made you reveal your stubbornness.
>
> I don't mind newbies on this group at all but I do get annoyed at
> those who jump on here and want the group to do their research into
> what they should buy. Do your own research or did your mommy do
> everything else for you.
>
> boo hoo, now go away, you are starting to annoy me.
> Bob Ford
> Images In Motion
> www.imagesinmotion.com



My, my, my, don't we have our shorts all in a knot ...

And yet, Bob, your incredible wealth of knowledge notwithstanding, you
rejected the comprehensive mic testing given at dvcreators.net for no
apparent reason. Worse still, as we see above, you threw a temper
tantrum when evidence showing the Senn 300 is not the best value for
price was made abundantly clear to you.

Here's your quote:

"It was clearly stated to you that Senn is the best mic going for the
money (next to Lectro for that matter), and you prefer to take the
word of some reviews that the one you have selected is better. The
price difference alone would make me suspicious.....you get what you
pay for. "
-- Bob Ford

Indeed, the site you dismissed presented a comprehensive mic "shootout"
of 7 mics including sound files so that even readers with a bias such
as yours could listen and adjust their outdated opinions accordingly.
But even more tellingly, Bob, the Senn 300 was not even included in
these tests because the testers determined the Senn 300 is inferior to
all the others in its class.

To sum up, Bob, you're not only misleading readers with your insistence
that the Senn 300 is the best in its class, you, as we see above, act
like a petulant child when the hard evidence showing your opinion is
outdated is presented before you.

All of which may be the point of the fellow who emailed me about how
some of the regulars here have created an environment here where
thuggery such as yours is the law of the land.

To sum up, again, Bob: The Senn 300 IS NOT the best in its class.

Did you get all that, Bob? If so, take a few minutes, digest it, and --
STOP TELLING NEWBIES the Senn 300 IS THE BEST IN ITS CLASS!

ric

http://www.dvcreators.net/shotgun-shootout/

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