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Posted by Ken Maltby on 08/31/06 20:15
>> "Ray S" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dqmJg.404$5i7.59@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>>> If it was a matter of National Security to rid ourselves of foreign oil
>>> and let the oil barons return to pounding sand I'll bet the idea of
>>> whether it was immediately profitable would not enter into the
>>> equatio....oh, wait, it is...Darn, hmmmmm what else could be causing all
>>> this, oh crap, of course, if it wasn't hidden behind that mountain of
>>> oil exxon profit and if it were a snake, it would have bit me. Heck,
>>> you'd think that Cheney being so fat and all it would have been more
>>> obvious.
>>>
> Ken Maltby wrote:
>>
>> So you wouldn't expect Exxon to make any electric cars, but
>> then they don't make any cars now, do they? Yes, if Exxon were
>> to ignore a switch to some alternate fuel, and cling to oil only, they
>> would loose out, but they would change to follow some profitable
>> path.
>>
>> The possibility that Exxon would suffer, is hardly going to stop
>> someone who could profit from supplying "cleaner" energy.
>>
>> You left wing conspiracy theory nuts, who believe there are
>> rich and powerful "Barons" who have complete control over
>> the marketplace, are forgetting that there are plenty of "Baron
>> wantabees" out there who would love to knock over the
>> current "most powerful". It's the people who buy things, that
>> decide who is going to be your "Baron", if people bought
>> enough solar power and batteries, you might soon have your
>> "Electric Car Baron(s)". Then petrochemicals might become
>> the province of the current "oil barons" and we won't waste
>> the oil by just burning it.
>
> Now, now, now. Lets not go about flinging wild accusations ant every Tome
> Dick and Harry who might think along different lines.
>
> Even you would likely have to admit that the power of the 'people who buy
> things' is subject to the whims of manuiplation.
>
>> Unless you are living in a commune in California or Taos New
>> Mexico, I expect you aren't so interested in the National
>> Security that you will give up driving your gas powered car, or
>> pay too much of a premium for an electric.
>
> Skillful redirect! My original supposition was in regard to National
> Security, which even in my kooky commune I hear is all the rage these
> days. Whether I'm inclined to want to try and drag the country kicking and
> screaming to something other than imported petrol is not at issue.
>
> In one way, you are correct however, the market will correct the
> situation. Rising gas prices will do one of two things. Either people will
> flock towards more efficient cars, or they will dig in their heels and cut
> spending in other areas.
>
>
>> By the way switching to battery "powered" electric cars would
>> not do much to lower the need/demand for oil. You need to be
>> able to charge those batteries, and most people won't want to
>> pave their backyards with solar panels to have enough charge
>> potential to run a car every day. If they only drive a couple of
>> miles a week, they could get by with just covering their roof.
>> Most likely they would be using electricity off the utility grid.
>> (natural gas and diesel fueled generators in many places)
>>
>
> Whats the fixation with electric cars? I'm suggesting that the entire
> government might find to be a worthwhile part of the entire Homeland
> Security scheme to redirect funds towards efforts towards an overall
> reduction in imported oil. And as our electric grids are still the envy of
> the third world, there is fair amount of things that could help a great
> deal in that regard.
There is the subject line of this thread. You might want to look up
the president's energy proposals, but you are right congress has to
stop their bickering and fund those proposals. They could come up
with a few of their own also. The problem seems to be, that neither
side wants to allow the other side any credit for addressing the issue.
The side "not in control" can and does block every effort of the
party "in control". Normally this is all to my liking since it should
mean less government interference, but with the existing entrenched
bureaucracies and agendas some legislation must get passed to
have "oversight" by "accountable" elected officials.
Luck;
Ken
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