Posted by Steve King on 09/01/06 23:09

"P.C. Ford" <meoh@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:26:40 +0100, mv@movingvision.co.uk wrote:
>
>>In message <f0eff29oeftmtnfn548b6okgdi8m9lekfr@4ax.com>, P. C. Ford
>><meoh@mouse-potato.com> writes
>>>On 31 Aug 2006 07:58:23 -0700, sillysetters101@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>edwardchick@mac.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But I have had problems with mini dv in the past, wrinkles, dropouts,
>>>>> etc. No matter WHAT brand of tape or where I purchased it from. I was
>>>>> told long ago, that whatever brand tape you start to shoot in your
>>>>> mini
>>>>> dv camera, you should stick with. IMHO it holds true.
>>>>
>>>>Long ago this was a problem due to the chemical reaction of different
>>>>lubricants used by Panasonic and Sony, basically the only manufacturers
>>>>of mini dv tape, although TDK and JVC make them now (TDK's formulation
>>>>being more Sony-like and JVC's being almost identical to Panasonic).
>>>>The problem was largely resolved but we always recommend a head
>>>>cleaning and if possible a "dry run" over the heads before switching
>>>>tapes.
>>>
>>>This has been discussed many times; I certainly don't want yet another
>>>one.
>>>
>>>Suffice it to say that the above is presented as gospel, it is
>>>anything but that. There are lot of theories about this. I believe
>>>there is no orthodxy.
>>>
>>
>>Suffice it to say that the 1997 lubricant miss-match that caused a
>>chemical reaction resulting in hard sticky globules wrecking heads and
>>tape paths is absolutely true, even though denied whilst nevertheless
>>quickly corrected by Sony, Panasonic and their respective tape
>>manufacturing facilities. Some of us were actually there as opposed to
>>others whose faux urbane aplomb is redolent of the same urbane aplomb
>>that's responsible for so much misdirection and the socio-political
>>propaganda that has ironically resulted in the false wholesomeness
>>redolent of the socio-pathic demonic mindedness of the Good Ole Boys and
>>other Klu Klux Klan like reactionaries who whilst having aspirations to
>>murder on a genocidal scale actually have the diabolical gall to pretend
>>to being Christian, even though only of the cardboard cut out variety.
>>The duality of reality.
>>
>>Sorry folks, I couldn't resist the invitation, but who wants to make the
>>documentary? ;-))
>
> Not me.
>
> I know this goies against all mores of USENET posting but I have to
> admit to a sloppy reading of Mr. Tapeguy's post. Apologies all 'round.
> We went round and round here some time ago about Mr. Tapeguy's
> recommendation of Panasonic tape. There was discussion of the "wet"
> and "dry" lubricants.
>
> I was expecting Mr. Tapeguy to advance his old familiar points....and
> maybe he will.
>
> As to whether or not tape was furnished with a goopy lube at some time
> in the past, I don't know....1997 was before my time. I suspect it may
> be true. But there are those that say you should use Panasonic tape
> because of this.
>
> I use Sony tape in my Sony camera. Others are free to do as they
> please.
>
> But yiou watch what salesmen say.

I wish that I could say that 1997 was 'before my time'. Thanks for the
smiles. However, to your point. I've been buying audio and video gear for
many years, often in great gobs, sometimes for myself, more often for
others. Most of the information I've used to make buying decisions came
from ... you guessed it ... salesmen. I've worked with many who's opinions
and recommendations I've trusted absolutely. I've rarely been disappointed.
Where else are you going to find someone who has broad experience, through
customers, of a great variety of competing equipment, who has found out what
comes back and what sticks, who knows which manufacturers currently back up
their stuff and which don't? You've been dealing with the wrong people if
you think all sellers are untrustworthy. Sure, it makes sense to be
cautious dealing with private sellers you don't know or companies without a
track record. But, to approach all sellers with your level of suspician
makes it difficult to establish buyer-seller relationships that, as they
have in my case, can last decades.

Steve King

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