Posted by Technobarbarian on 10/05/06 03:13

"Loco Jones" <locojonesnet@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Loco Jones" wrote...
>> > >> ( s n i p )
>> >> What "rights" are they trying to take away from you?
>> >> TB
>> >
>> > Hmmm... let's see... the "media companies" are trying to over-turn,
>> > or at least re-write, the Home Taping Act (ref: betamax decision)...
>> > they have gone on record as being firmly opposed to the "first sale
>> > doctrine" (where you can sell your purchased media on the secondary
>> > market)... and now, with the plethora of DRM-crippled "product" being
>> > offered, they are trying to restrict the right to listen/view at the
> consumer's
>> > convenience.
>> >
>> > Sure, "consumer rights" have always been tenuous at best, but at least
>> > people were allowed to enjoy their purchases as they saw fit... they
> could
>> > share with friends without fear of reprisal, they could make back-up
> copies
>> > of expensive media to take to the cottage, on a car trip, or any other
> instance
>> > where the valuable original might be lost, or they could re-sell those
> pricey
>> > "impulse purchases" if they so desired... but those days are numbered -
> IF
>> > the Copyright Cartel gets their way.
>> >
>> > People buy things so they can say "I own that (and I have the right to
> do
>> > with it what I wish)" - but in the future, I suspect that will be
> changed to
>> > "I rented that", or "I paid for a license for that once, but it
> expired."
>> > Not someplace I want to find myself - ever. Do yourself a favour and
>> > subscribe to the EFF newsletter - Global Corporatification is something
>> > to be feared.
>>
>> Gee, and I thought people bought things to use them. The claimed
>> "right" to do whatever you wish with intellectual property has not
> exixted
>> since the first copyright laws. If you had that "right" you could make
> and
>> sell as many copies as you wished.
>
> Please re-read what I wrote - at no point did I say "make and sell as many
> copies as you wish". Don't put words in my mouth.

Yes you did. > > "People buy things so they can say "I own that (and I
have the right to
do
> > with it what I wish)" " Only now are you modifying that statement.
> > You're trying to take words out of your mouth that you already said.


>
> People do buy things to use them - and personal back-up copies (as many as
> they like), "time-shifting" (or media/device shifting), and re-sale of
> purchased goods ARE uses consumers have had the right to. I'm not talking
> about "unauthorized copying, distribution, or broadcast" restrictions -
> those have always been clearly marked on copyrighted material, and for the
> most part, the general populace has accepted that. Even those who traded
> mix-tapes of records they bought.
>
> The statement "do with it what I like" refers to what has been LEGALLY
> acceptable in the past, but is now in danger of being outlawed. Remember,
> I'm speaking as a consumer, and not a for-profit bootlegger/counterfeiter.
>
> Unless I'm charging people to listen to or watch copyrighted material,
> that
> "unauthorized broadcast prohibited" clause shouldn't (and doesn't) come
> into play. Theoretically, in the future, it *could* apply to a gathering
> of
> family and friends enjoying each other's Christmas CD/DVD presents. While
> the RI/MPAA might like to equate that scenario with a disc-stamping plant
> in some third world country which manufactures and sells "pirated" copies,
> some of us can still make the - very real - distinction.
>
> DRM is a success at alienating the consumer, and a complete failure at
> preventing the type of abuse copyright was originally designed for.
> Perhaps
> I should have said... "I bought this and have the right to enjoy it as I
> see fit"... since the "media companies" seem intent on
> restricting/controlling my enjoyment with every wacky new anti-piracy
> scheme they cook up. These cannibals have the wrong people in the pot.

As has been pointed out here numerous time you only buy a license. If
you don't like what they're selling don't buy it. You're claiming "rights"
that you never had. Your "rights" have stayed the same, the licenses are
changing.

>
> Lest we forget, the Sony Rootkit debacle - enough said.

Oh yeah, let's not forget Pearly Habor while we're at it, it's just as
relevent.

TB

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