Posted by Smarty on 10/07/06 05:38

My prior reply was intended for l e o. Sorry Mr. Tapeguy...


"Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
news:9JudnWc9Hbgmp7rYnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> Mr. Tapeguy,
>
> I should emphasize that my Ulead suggestion is really for the amateur
> user, and FCP is in a whole other league in terms of sophistication. I
> think a full length feature demands a more sophisticated solution than
> Ulead Video Studio 10 Plus, and apologize if I may have over-simplified
> the comparison. Vegas 7 is a nice compromise in terms of price /
> performance and functionality.
>
> I do find it both surprising and disturbing that the FCP workflow goes so
> slowly compared to Ulead, and this is my major criticism, especially
> considering the cost difference. I especially like the Vegas and Ulead PC
> solutions because I can easily bring mpeg content in and out, and use a
> lot of really nice PC-based tools to work with intermediate products. The
> insistence of Apple on creating and using closed and proprietary standards
> personally bothers me, unless there are compelling offsets in price,
> quality, performance, or other tangible benefits. IMHO, these do not
> exist, and certainly not to justify a 3X or greater price disadvantage.
>
> Smarty
>
> "l e o" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:LIEVg.2631$0q2.1175@newsfe07.lga...
>> Smarty wrote:
>>> Mr Tapeguy,
>>>
>>> Ulead's $89 program lacks many features which FCP 5.1 provides, and more
>>> advanced users can upgrade or buy Ulead's professional product for $300
>>> or so which maintains the same speed but adds more features for advanced
>>> editing.
>>>
>>> Despite being very limited compared to FCP in features, it does basic
>>> editing and other things quite adequately, and contains many filters,
>>> transitions, titling tools, overlay and alpha / greenscreen features as
>>> well as pretty sophisticated audio tools, all considered. It makes
>>> really excellent DVDs and HD DVDs (as well as all sorts of other mpeg2,
>>> mpeg4, VCD, SVCD, ipod and other formats). Its' full screen preview and
>>> playback just blows away FCP and Vegas, as does its' rendering speed.
>>> For a beginner or someone on a limited budget, it just doesn't get any
>>> better today. iMovieHD and a modest iMac would be a reasonably
>>> comparable Mac alternative, but has the rendering speed penalty as well
>>> as way too much Quicktime emphasis for my taste. Simple MPEG2 file
>>> handling is terrible on this platform.
>>>
>>> My dual G5 came with Tiger, was delivered / installed with Final Cut
>>> Studio Pro HD 5 from a clean install and has been upgraded with all
>>> updates to both OSX and FCP HD Studio. It is just a slow machine,
>>> producing high quality results with far too much expense and time
>>> consumption. Having used FCP older versions on older hardware with
>>> earlier (non Tiger) releases, this is indeed a much faster system than
>>> those were......but it is still glacial compared to Ulead.
>>>
>>> Smarty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mr. Tapeguy" <mr.tapeguy@pro-tape.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1160148271.346034.28030@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Smarty wrote:
>>>>> I just have to throw my 2 cents in here, since I have been doing HDV
>>>>> editing
>>>>> since the day it was available..... I now have 4 systems in place, and
>>>>> have
>>>>> made a lot of comparisons and observations.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> That is really interesting info Smarty. How does the Ulead compare in
>>>> features to the more expensive packages?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, you probably won't be using this as your primary solution
>>>> but if you haven't upgraded to Tiger you should do so as well as
>>>> crossgrade to FCP 5.x before the end of the year. It's cheap and will
>>>> enhance performance dramatically.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pro-tape.com
>>
>>
>> Despite your push for Ulead Video, I really like using Vegas 7 for HDV
>> editing. I think Vegas is the minimum system to do a feature length
>> documentary. It works seamlessly with Sonic Foundry for sound editing.
>> Don't forget multi-tracks. I don't think Ulead Video has it but I haven't
>> really use it too intensively.
>>
>> Premiere Pro 2 is fine too and it works well with Photoshop/Illustrator
>> files.
>>
>> Final Cut Pro is mainly for Mac users; sorry I don't see it's virtue
>> except easy to find editors for serious works and lots of third party
>> plugins. If you go with Mac, you really need to spend over $2500 for Mac
>> Pro just to have the PCIe slots!!!!!!! You will find that expansion slot
>> very useful - many [expensive] products from Blackmagic that will make
>> HDV editing a better experience. But what a premium, a Dual 2 Core system
>> can be gotten for $1000 with enough money left to invest on RAID hard
>> drives and 4 GB memory etc.
>
>

[Back to original message]