Posted by Technobarbarian on 10/07/06 12:23

"Don M." <newsreader@nospam4fineartsnospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Technobarbarian" wrote in message news:dRkVg.1850$La2.1319@fed1read08...
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>> "Don M." wrote in message
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>> > "Technobarbarian" wrote in message
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>> >> "Don M." wrote in message
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>> >> > "Technobarbarian" wrote in message
>> >> > news:lL_Ug.1799$La2.549@fed1read08...
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>> >> >> <Snip>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As has been pointed out here numerous time you only buy a license.
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> you don't like what they're selling don't buy it. You're claiming
>> >> >> "rights"
>> >> >> that you never had. Your "rights" have stayed the same, the
>> >> >> licenses are
>> >> >> changing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Clearly, your rights have not stayed the same. New restrictions and
>> >> > penalties, such as
>> >> > those imposed under the DMCA, also apply to digital sound recordings
>> >> > in
>> >> > existence before
>> >> > the law was/is passed. Thus if your "changing licenses" affect a
>> >> > product
>> >> > after its
>> >> > purchase, then your rights to the product have not stayed the same.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:6:./temp/~c105Y8LNId::
>> >>
>> >> Wanna show me where your RIGHTS changed?
>> >>
>> >> TB
>> >>
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>> > I don't know what that url is for. One needs to know only that the
>> > legislation was passed
>> > to regulate people's actions, as laws often do. Once your actions are
>> > regulated, your
>> > rights have changed. Since you want examples, read the section on
>> > circumvention in Title
>> > 17 of the US Code and study its implications.
>>
>> In other words your claim that the DMCA reduced our rights is
>> bullshit.
>> If it did you'd be able to point out where it says this. I provided the
>> URL
>> for your convience. Where in the hell you thought you had the "right" to
>> circumvent the restrictions on the license you bought completely escapes
>> me.
>>
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>
> You provided a dead URL.
> I didn't make the claim you stated.
> You didn't study the section on circumvention or you'd have understood
> that circumvention
> is allowed under some circumstances by the DMCA and made illegal under
> others. You see,
> the verb "change" doesn't automatically mean "reduce" and your "license
> restrictions" mean
> diddly squat if contrary to the DMCA. Now take some time and think about
> permanent
> markers, copy-protected CDs and DMCA.

"Don M." <newsreader@nospam4fineartsnospam.com> wrote in message
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> Clearly, your rights have not stayed the same. New restrictions and
> penalties, such as
> those imposed under the DMCA, also apply to digital sound recordings in
> existence before
> the law was/is passed. Thus if your "changing licenses" affect a product
> after its
> purchase, then your rights to the product have not stayed the same.


Where _exactly_ did your RIGHTS change under the DMCA? I entered this
discussion on one narrow point: whether or not we are losing RIGHTS to the
media industry.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281.ENR:


> I'll give you another example of how rights are changed after the
> purchase. Take the
> Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998. By extending copyright terms by 20
> years, our
> present and future rights on many recordings previously bought under
> another one of your
> so-called "licenses" were postponed (i.e. denied) for another 20 years.
> This, as a change
> in rights, will probably escape you too.
>
> Carry on with your nonsense and adulterating what others say.

Where did you get the RIGHT for copyrighted works to enter the public
domain at a certain time? Did you somehow buy this right when you purchased
a copy of the copyrighted work? Did people who never purchased a copy of the
work never obtain this RIGHT? Do they not have a RIGHT to the expectation
that the work will enter the public domain at a certain time?

TB

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