Posted by Don M. on 10/09/06 07:37

"Technobarbarian" wrote in message news:N_MVg.1898$La2.974@fed1read08...
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> "Don M." wrote in message news:f_ydnSdrg8n6ybrYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
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> > "Technobarbarian" wrote in message news:dRkVg.1850$La2.1319@fed1read08...
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> >> "Don M." wrote in message news:kPCdnZGa4Y_QUbjYnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
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> >> > "Technobarbarian" wrote in message news:ja7Vg.1817$La2.345@fed1read08...
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> >> >> "Don M." wrote in message news:BuKdnVU7YOWtE7nYnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com...
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> >> >> > "Technobarbarian" wrote in message news:lL_Ug.1799$La2.549@fed1read08...
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> >> >> >> <Snip>
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> >> >> >> As has been pointed out here numerous time you only buy a license. If
> >> >> >> you don't like what they're selling don't buy it. You're claiming "rights"
> >> >> >> that you never had. Your "rights" have stayed the same, the licenses are
> >> >> >> changing.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Clearly, your rights have not stayed the same. New restrictions and
> >> >> > penalties, such as
> >> >> > those imposed under the DMCA, also apply to digital sound recordings in
> >> >> > existence before
> >> >> > the law was/is passed. Thus if your "changing licenses" affect a product
> >> >> > after its
> >> >> > purchase, then your rights to the product have not stayed the same.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c105:6:./temp/~c105Y8LNId::
> >> >>
> >> >> Wanna show me where your RIGHTS changed?
> >> >>
> >> >> TB
> >> >>
> >> > ===========
> >> >
> >> > I don't know what that url is for. One needs to know only that the
> >> > legislation was passed
> >> > to regulate people's actions, as laws often do. Once your actions are
> >> > regulated, your
> >> > rights have changed. Since you want examples, read the section on
> >> > circumvention in Title
> >> > 17 of the US Code and study its implications.
> >>
> >> In other words your claim that the DMCA reduced our rights is
> >> bullshit.
> >> If it did you'd be able to point out where it says this. I provided the URL
> >> for your convience. Where in the hell you thought you had the "right" to
> >> circumvent the restrictions on the license you bought completely escapes me.
> >>
> >
> > You provided a dead URL.
> > I didn't make the claim you stated.
> > You didn't study the section on circumvention or you'd have understood
> > that circumvention
> > is allowed under some circumstances by the DMCA and made illegal under
> > others. You see,
> > the verb "change" doesn't automatically mean "reduce" and your "license
> > restrictions" mean
> > diddly squat if contrary to the DMCA. Now take some time and think about
> > permanent
> > markers, copy-protected CDs and DMCA.
>
> "Don M." <newsreader@nospam4fineartsnospam.com> wrote in message
> news:BuKdnVU7YOWtE7nYnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com...
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> > Clearly, your rights have not stayed the same. New restrictions and
> > penalties, such as
> > those imposed under the DMCA, also apply to digital sound recordings in
> > existence before
> > the law was/is passed. Thus if your "changing licenses" affect a product
> > after its
> > purchase, then your rights to the product have not stayed the same.
>
> Where _exactly_ did your RIGHTS change under the DMCA? I entered this
> discussion on one narrow point: whether or not we are losing RIGHTS to the
> media industry.
>
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I already cited one point from the DMCA and asked you to think about it. It obviously
escaped you. Do your homework.

> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2281.ENR:
>

Great... A page with no content.

>
> > I'll give you another example of how rights are changed after the
> > purchase. Take the
> > Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998. By extending copyright terms by 20
> > years, our
> > present and future rights on many recordings previously bought under
> > another one of your
> > so-called "licenses" were postponed (i.e. denied) for another 20 years.
> > This, as a change
> > in rights, will probably escape you too.
> >
> > Carry on with your nonsense and adulterating what others say.
>
> Where did you get the RIGHT for copyrighted works to enter the public
> domain at a certain time? Did you somehow buy this right when you purchased
> a copy of the copyrighted work? Did people who never purchased a copy of the
> work never obtain this RIGHT? Do they not have a RIGHT to the expectation
> that the work will enter the public domain at a certain time?
>

??? Whether others have the same rights as you at the end of the line is irrelevant, esp.
if they don't have access to that what you bought.

Please don't shout. I'm moving on.


Don

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