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Posted by Toby on 10/17/06 04:48
"Spex" <No.spam@ta.com> wrote in message
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> Toby wrote:
>> "Bill Farnsworth" <bill.farnsworth@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:TZuYg.714$kG5.622@trndny07...
>>> <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>> Cricky Bill ! It must be the waiting for going HD that's causing SP to
>>>> linger on in the US then. SP has all but disappeared over here, I still
>>>> keep a PVW2800 just in case, and have lots of SP archived. All the TV
>>>> news here is digital. BBC accept DVCAM, Digi Beta and SX for news, all
>>>> 16x9 of course. XDCAM HD and HDCAM for news and everything else is just
>>>> around the corner. HDV will be accepted as HD compatible just as soon
>>>> as the old farts assertions to the contrary have become overwhelmingly
>>>> self evident.
>>>> --
>>>> John Lubran
>>> I know John.
>>> It's just that the HD-XDCam available right now has three 1/2" chips
>>> configuration.
>>> The SD-XDCam that is used has three 2/3" chips.
>>> Most of us freelancers consider the 1/2" chipped camera a "bridge"
>>> camera.
>>> I am not too keen on spending $25,000 on a camera body and another
>>> $9,000 on a 1/2 chip lens that will be superceded in a short time by a
>>> $32,000 2/3" HD body and another 10 grand on a compatible lens.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> Ah, remember the good old days when Beta SP would keep you in business
>> for the foreseeable future?
>>
>> Over here in Japan no one knows what's coming or going. The networks are
>> halfway between Beta SP or DVCPro25/50 and HD (like the VariCam and a new
>> 2/3" body recently introduced that shoots DVCProHD for about $18,000--I
>> don't know about Sony's offerings). The head of the largest production
>> company over here tells me that these days many clients are specifying
>> the Z1, but everyone is nervous about buying new equipment because of the
>> speed at which developments are happening...
>>
>> Toby
>
> I can only see a market for super high-end offerings and lower cost
> cameras with the current pace of development. Who is realistically going
> to invest in mid-range (XDCAM HD/DVCPROHD) equipment knowing they have to
> get the return on their investment in a year 'cause the camera will be
> superseded the next? Particularly as the quality difference between low
> cost cameras and the mid-range really isn't that great anymore.
>
> I've just been to a demo of the Canon XH-A1 and have also seen some clips
> from the new Sony HVR-V1E and I can say I was blown away. I've not seen a
> camera handle such a wide dynamic range so effortlessly as the V1E this
> side of Digibeta. It is simply incredible and for less than 3k too.
>
> If there was a choice between Digibeta or one of the new HDV cams someone
> is going to have to come up with an extremely compelling reason not to
> shoot HDV...
Yes, many commercial clients seem to be opting for HDV or even SD shot on an
HDV camera. I'm truly saddened to hear that the Sony V1 will not shoot both
PAL and NTSC SD as the Z1 does. That would have been perfect....
Ostensibly XDCam was going to be in play, it seems, as a "tapeless"
alternative for non-linear editing. But at present, at least, it takes
almost as long to import XD clips into the Avid as it does to digitize tape,
and one doesn't get to choose in and out points, so in many instances it
takes even longer to get the relevant material on the disk. Yes, of course
one can use proxy files, but the quality is very poor. We'll see where it
goes, but I get the feeling that XDCam is a bit of a nonstarter. For
Panasonic P2 might fly if the price of memory drops enough soon enough. For
non-linear it is certainly the better format, as it doesn't need digitizing,
but then you have to dump the files to somewhere, whereas the XD carts are
pretty handy.
Just rambling...
Toby
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