Posted by Colin B on 12/09/06 18:30

"Christopher Campbell" <christophercampbell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1A03A990039F220F0386500@news.wavecable.com...
> On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:08:09 -0800, Colin B wrote
> (in article <457a7cf7$1@clear.net.nz>):
>
>>
>> "Christopher Campbell" <christophercampbell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C19F2D2D002A2028F0407500@news.wavecable.com...
>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:15:06 -0800, Bill wrote
>>> (in article <ibOdnUGzArj_7uTYnZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@golden.net>):
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When diesel trains were introduced, didn't the unions try to insist
>>>> that
>>>> the stokers and firemen keep their jobs?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Stokers and firemen no longer had jobs. They were obsolete. And no one
>>> insisted that they continue to work without pay.
>>>
>>> You seem to think that performing artists should work without being
>>> paid,
>>> even though their jobs are not obsolete. They have not been replaced.
>>> They
>>> still entertain people.
>>>
>>> Your argument is akin to asking stokers and firemen to work without pay
>>> on
>>> coal locomotives for your personal benefit, simply because there are
>>> also
>>> diesel locomotives that do not need stokers and firemen.
>>>
>>> I do not care if buggy whip manufacturers go out of business because no
>>> one
>>> wants buggy whips any more. But I do care if musicians and actors are
>>> driven
>>> out of business because thieves steal all their work.
>>
>>
>> After reading the contributions in this thread, I doubt whether I will
>> ever
>> submit any video to these web sites. I really don't want people to call
>> me a
>> thief and start suing me. A while ago, I made a nice little video of a
>> group
>> of music students playing together in a youth orchestra. I filmed this at
>> the request of one of the students and with the permission of the leader
>> of
>> the group. But if I was to submit this to Youtube, I would first need to
>> ensure that I applied for copyright approval for all the music they
>> played.
>> And I guess I would also need the approval of each and every one of the
>> students as well.
>>
>> I know that most people wouldn't bother doing these things, but because
>> you
>> have all told me that I would be a thief and would be personally liable
>> if
>> one of the music composers didn't like hearing his music played by this
>> orchestra on internet, I won't upload the film to Youtube. One of the
>> pieces
>> was by Mozart, but I'm not sure how I'll get his approval, he hasn't been
>> around for a while. In fact, I'm not even sure that I should give this
>> video
>> to the student because I guess I would be responsible as the filmmaker if
>> she were to submit my film to Youtube without getting proper copyright
>> approvals first?
>>
>> I also thought about uploading to Youtube some of my film of our young
>> baby
>> daughter eating a meal and spreading all the food right across her face.
>> We
>> all thought it was hilarious, but there's one problem, we had some music
>> playing in the background. Darn it, I can't upload this either because
>> someone will say I've stolen the music. I don't even know the name of the
>> piece of music that was playing or who the composer was, but it's not
>> worth
>> the time trying to find out and then getting copyright approval. Sorry
>> world, you won't get to see my daughter after all, and of course, she
>> wouldn't approve either. At least the composer of this piece of music
>> won't
>> be driven out of business as a result of my unintentional thieving of his
>> work.
>>
>>
>
> You are not fooling anybody, you know; not even yourself. All the
> hairsplitting in the world will not change what is plainly obvious --
> people
> are taking other people's work without paying for it. If you are really so
> stupid as to not know the difference between a film you made of your baby
> and
> ripping an entire commercial CD or DVD to a file sharing site then there
> is
> no hope for you.

Well, we are indeed fortunate to have a copyright expert here to advise us
all. For both the examples I gave above, can you please tell me whether I
have breached copyright holders' rights if I upload both these videos to
Youtube without seeking any approvals and could thus be sued by the rights
owners? This is a serious question based on real facts, I'm not trying to
fool anyone, believe me!

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