Posted by Theophilus on 12/23/06 13:31

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>>I am tired of this metaphor. :-)
>
> Yeah, and I'm tired of the one you're operating with, where a universe
> without a deity is meaningless. So deal with it.

Actually, you have to deal with it. Can you demonstrate any actual meaning
to the universe? Not just relative to you or the human race, but overall?

You see, the problem is that nothing we do matters, good and evil are
relative and therefore meaningless terms, there is really no point in
persisting at all, except as animals that pretend not to know better.

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>>Ok, let's drop the metaphor. Your definition of atheism is obviously
>>based
>>on the ABSENCE of belief about a higher power, right? The problem is,
>>asserting this "absence" spontaneously erupts into actual negative
>>assertions. Say it for me: "There is no God", and I will show you a fool
>>who thinks he is God.
>
> Someone who asserts 'there is no god' is not accepting the role of a
> god. They are denying one exists. Do you have a dictionary? Look up
> athirst.

If you are standing in a room, and you say "there is no chair in this room",
you can actually be making a truthful, negative assertion. If you say
"there is no secret alien base on the far side of the moon", you can not
make a truthful negative assertion; you actually have to go there and look
to be able to say it truthfully. By definition, God is immaterial,
transcendant above this material plane. Therefore, to TRUTHFULLY assert
that there is no God is to put oneself in the role of God, giving oneself
transcendant universal power, knowledge of everything inside and out of this
universe.

To say there is no God is merely a "belief" statement, a statement of faith.
Hence the "religion" of atheism.

>>You can't possibly know if there is a God or not, can
>>you? The best you can honestly hope to say is that you simply don't know.
>
> So, fellow agnostic, why are you splitting hairs?

Because atheists are liars. If they were honest, they would not use words
like good or evil, truth or lie, these are meaningless terms in this
apparently meaningless universe. They use these words as if they had some
absolute power behind them. In fact, they cannot differentiate between the
Mother Theresas and the Adolf Hitlers of the world; there is really no true
distinction between them because morality itself is only an illusion, a
matter of convenience for getting along with one's fellow animal. The
self-importance that atheists tie to themselves and their moral decrees is
the ultimate hypocrisy.

Note also that when I use words like "truth" and "lies", they are actually
meaningless constructs as well, in the deity-free universe. This
conversation itself ultimately can have absolutely no basis and point, in a
godless universe.

Hypocrisy itself (and accusations thereof) are also rendered meaningless in
the godless universe. There's nothing "wrong" with hypocrisy or
self-rationalization, or lying or stealing or murder or rape or anything
else.

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