Posted by fanny on 01/11/07 11:39

And if I decided to follow Islam would I have the privilege of becoming a
suicide matyr and murder dozens of people ?
<al7yatkalima3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
> second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
> used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
> within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
> your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
> out of context:
>
> 1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
> When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
> limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
> knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
> son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
> His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
> admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
> proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
> God.
>
> 2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
> While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
> he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
> verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
> seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
> own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
> because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
> sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
> the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
> admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
> all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
>
> 3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
> God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
> nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
> he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
> Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
> is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
> why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
> couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
> Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
> (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
> Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
> pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
> 26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
> admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
> to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
>
> 4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
> While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
> this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
> any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
> nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
> is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
> truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
> time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
> Jesus was not God.
>
> 5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
> acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
> his own.
> Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
> equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
> Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
> I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
> responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
> is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
> and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
> came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
> evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
> God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
> St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
> which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
> the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
> would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
> would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
> another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
> therefore Jesus is not God.
>
> Conclusion
> The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
> about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
> not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
> basis have you come to believe otherwise?
>
> My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
> false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
> in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
>
> If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
> Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
>
>
> What is the word of God about Jesus:
>
> A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
> That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
> doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
> When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
> 19:34,35).
>
> And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
> indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
> and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
> crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
> it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
> heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
> 19:88-93).
>
> Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
> created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
> 3:59).
>
> People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
> not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
> the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
> spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
> 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
> on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
> heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
>
> B. Regarding Jesus being God:
> And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
> and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
> is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
> knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
> within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
> You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
> witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
> me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
> everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
>
> C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
> And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
> calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
> the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
> him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
> variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
> knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
> slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
> Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
> assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
> he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
>
> http://www.islamtoday.net/english/
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