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Posted by Technobarbarian on 02/15/07 00:43
"M-Theory" <mtheory@superstrings.com> wrote in message
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> "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>"M-Theory" <m-theory@superstrings.com> wrote in message
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>>> Why don't you "put up or shut up" as they say? Please provide proof of
>>> your claim that AllofMP3 is run by "Russian criminals." I'd like to see
>>> what you base your slanderous opinion on. The facts are:
>>
>> They're selling something that doesn't belong to them.
>
> Uhhhh... it doesn't belong to iTunes either, or Warehouse, Tower
> Records, or any other outlet. That's what an outlet is, a means to sell
> music for the copyright holder.
LOL, the distinction that appears to escape you is that these other
"outlets" operate with the permission of the copyright holders and pay for
the privilege .
>
> AllofMP3 does have a mechanism to pay artists and copyright holders. The
> US copyright holders have refused to apply for their royalties because
> they don't want to legitimize AllofMP3. Read the facts and learn instead
> of repeating angry tirades from other uninformed idiots that are simply
> mad because they are stupid enough to own an iPod and are stuck with
> iTunes, their ridiculous pricing scheme, and the funamentally
> consumer-unfriendly DRM.
Allofmp3 doesn't get to decide how and what they pay copyright
holders.
>
> DRM will never fly. The sooner the greedy recording industry gets this
> through their bean-counting heads, the better for them. In the meantime
> the market will find its own sources for music. If pushed to P2P, that's
> where people will go. So the industry can decide if they want fair
> prices and no DRM, or high prices, DRM, and rampant P2P sharing ...or
> sites like AllofMP3 that offer what the market wants and is willing to
> pay.
A side issue I have no interest in debating. However, DRM appears to be
"flying" just fine. People are buying files with DRM protection.
>
>>> 1. AllofMP3.com has been around for 6 years and has a loyal customer
>>> base that is enormous by independent reports.
>>
>> LOL, the Mafia has been around for far more than 6 years and has a
>>loyal customer base too.
>
> Oh please. You made an allegation that AllofMP3 is run by criminals. How
> does the above statement prove this? You are the one with the burden of
> proof, as you have made the allegation.
LOL, "burden of proof"? This is neither a court of law or your high
school debating team.
>
>>> 2. There are no reports whatsoever of identity theft or other problems
>>> associated with the customer base. In fact, customers are very happy
>>> with AllofMP3.
>>
>> Actually there have been reports of problems on this usenet group.
>>Google it for yourself.
>
> What problems? If you know and are interested in supporting your
> allegation, what are they? This is just another empty statement.
Google doesn't work where you live? Look it up for yourself.
[major snip of silly froth]
> Because the market won't pay one dollar for a song *file* that cost the
> artist nothing, that's why. The RIAA wants online buyers to make up for
> their lost sales [in the overhead cost of] CDs, promotion, and other
> expenses that have nothing to do with files as a medium.
And yet millions of people have in fact paid a dollar each for millions
of downloads.
>
>> but as I don't own
>>stock in any of the RIAA companies I'm not worried about it. I figure they
>>have a far better handle on the math and economics of their situation than
>>your wild guesses and wishful thinking.
>
> They are greedy and out of touch. They will fail. They can't control the
> market.
>
>>
>> The bottom line for me: The RIAA's distribution model is a dinosaur.
>> Oh
>>well, I don't own any stock--not my problem. Like it or not Allofmp3, as
>>you
>>know it, is going away. I'm getting everything I want without sending
>>money
>>to Russia so this isn't my problem. And your silly assertions are
>>humorous,
>>but not something I lose sleep over either.
>
> AllofMP3 is not going away, and you may be unaware but there are at
> least 22 other Russian sites that sell music at ALLofMP3s prices, and
> still accept VISA and MC.
LOL, maybe you should check out your own source again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3.com
"As of February, 2007, some users are unable to order songs."
"As of February, 2007, some users report that they are unable to buy any
music from the site. When they try to buy a track, the following notice
appears:
Ordering is temporarily disabled
We are sorry, but the ordering is currently disabled.
The site is undergoing scheduled maintenance. Please check back later.
(Or the similar message in Russian.)
Other users say they are not experiencing such problems.
As of 10th and 11th February, 2007 financing an account on allofmp3 has
become almost impossible for most people. The Visa and Mastercard payment
route via Xrost is not working and alltunes (an allofmp3 brand) can only
accept payments to pass to allofmp3 from Diners' Card or JCB. There now
appears to be no way to finance an account via either Mastercard or Visa. No
information as to how long this will continue seems to be available on
allofmp3. Xrost carries a 48-hour maintenance sign but that has been
displayed for more than 48 hours and seems more open-ended than the firm
suggests."
"As of February 2007 - Account top-ups on the allofmp3.com site refer users
to the sister site, alltunes.com. From here, accounts could be topped up
with Visa or Mastercard, the credits automatically flowing back to the
allofmp3.com account. However from at least 8 February 2007, all Visa and
Mastercard payments appear to have been halted, and Allofmp3 customer
services replies to queries with the following form letter: "Dear user,
Unfortunately it is not possible to pay by a credit card for the time being.
Please use ways of payment currently available to you account. If you still
prefer to pay by a card please check the site news, we will inform everyone
when credit card payments become available again. Please accept our
apologies for this inconvenience." "
"Run by the Moscow company MediaServices, Allofmp3 has an estimated revenue
of $30 million a year. According to the IFPI and various other label
representatives the company has so far failed to transfer money to any
(western) label. According to the FAQ AllOfMp3 has posted, they are
currently sending voluntary additional payments directly to artists, in
addition to the collective license fees they pay. However, labels and
artists that contacted Allofmp3.com have declared they received no payments
at all.
This recent court ruling in Russia is instructive:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2007/02/15/042.html
Thursday, February 15, 2007. Issue 3597. Page 5.
Moscow Court Fines Web Sites for Piracy
By Maria Danilova
The Associated Press
A Russian court has fined a company whose web sites let users download songs
for 15 cents following a lawsuit brought by the Russian label of British
record giant EMI, a court official said Wednesday.
In what appeared to be the first major successful anti-piracy case in
Russia, the Moscow Arbitration Court ruled last week in favor of Gala
Records.
The record firm sued web sites Delit.ru and Delit.net for illegally selling
soundtracks and music albums online without the consent of copyright owners,
court spokesman Yury Gladkov said.
The court also fined the sites' parent company, Delit, 60,000 rubles
($2,300), he said.
Olga Kim, a legal expert with Gala Records, said the company was satisfied
with the decision despite having asked for 800,000 rubles ($30,000).
She said it was a victory for the court to rule "that one cannot distribute
someone else's property on the Internet."
Gala Records produces albums for several well-known Russian pop artists,
including Dima Bilan, who came in second at last year's Eurovision song
contest.
A spokeswoman for the web sites said: "I don't understand anything that you
just told me; I am not in the know," and said no other officials were
available.
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TB
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