Posted by Tom Sutpen on 03/27/07 12:13

On Mar 26, 4:02 pm, "Curtin/Dobbs" <curtin-do...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Maybe they're too principled, but why don't Libs/Lefties take an if-you-can't-fight'em-join'em
> approach to _300_? That is, claim _300_ as their own: Some Noam Chomsky/Ward
> Churchill types could proclaim that if America were attacked by an invading
> army, they and their sons and daughters-not the conservative, cowardly, Red
> State couch potatoes-would take up arms and spare no mercy and fight till
> the death in defense of their values and American sovereignty.
>
> I'm a Registered Independent who supports both "Conservative" and "Liberal"
> issues, and even though I'm very empathetic, I sense that I don't fully know
> the Liberal/Lefty Mindset (or the Conservative/Righty one, for that matter).
>
> So, Liberals (& Conservatives), help me out here:
>
> What do Liberals/Leftists believe in? And do they believe in these things
> strongly enough to not compromise on them and to fight and die for them? And
> would today's American Liberals, like their WWII counterparts, put their
> differences with Red Staters aside and fight for America? What would it
> take?

*****
Your first mistake is thinking there's a kinship between those on the
Left (presumably Socialists/Anarchists) and Liberals. When you talk
about what passes for Conservative and Liberal discourse in this
country, you're talking about an extremely narrow spectrum of opinion
that tilts more to the Right than anyone would have imagined as little
as 50 years ago. LIberals in truth have more in common with those on
the Right (barring its Libertarian wing) in that they have an abiding
faith in authoritarian structures; they just kid themselves that they
can use these sytems of control for more 'humane' ends. But they never
do. Liberals are some of the biggest closet fascists on the planet.

In order to go any further you'll have to define what you mean by
fighting 'for America'. Presumably you're referring to some
overarching construct generally known as the National Interest; but if
you mean by that what most people mean who use such words, then we're
not talking about the interests of ordinary American citizens, rather
a very narrow sector of private capital that receives the primary
benefit of US foreign and domestic policies. I can't imagine anyone
who hasn't been brainwashed into thinking, for instance, that 'as
Boeing goes, so goes the nation' who would *want* to fight for
anything so depraved.

But, again, I don't know if that's what you're referring to; so I
can't answer your question.

Tom Sutpen

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