Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 07/03/07 14:29

In article <1183466856.792721.115440@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
ninphan <sjburke73@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 1, 11:54 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <1183304455.084486.92...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 29, 8:47 pm, Spurious Response
> > > <SpuriousRespo...@cleansignal.org> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:17:37 -0400, Derek Janssen
> >
> > > > <eja...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > >Sounds like they know WE know we're sitting on our hands waiting for
> > > > >the
> > > > >Standards requirement,
> >
> > > > Life would have been so much simpler if EVERYONE had just boycotted
> > > > the
> > > > Sony money sucking behemoth, and went with the better HD DVD standard.
> >
> > > > No hand sitting required then.
> >
> > > Less bandwidth, less capacity.
> >
> > > No thanks, the HD DVD format has not proved to be better in my eyes.
> > > Hardly any use of lossless audio despite TrueHD being mandatory in
> > > players.
> >
> > > Blu-ray - 120+ discs with lossless audio
> > > HD DVD - 30 something
> >
> > > HD DVD has been out two months longer and they have the audacity to
> > > say they are the look and sound of perfect. I'm sorry, but lossy Dolby
> > > Digital Plus at 1.5 Mbps is not perfect. Blu-ray is spanking HD DVD
> > > left, right and centre in the audio department and has been the far
> > > more consistent format so far this year for picture quality as well.
> >
> > > Life would have been so much simpler if Microsoft had stayed out of it
> > > and then Toshiba would have not been able to launch their stupid
> > > inferior format.
> >
> > BD isn't spanking anything. While they are stuffing the lossless TrueHD
> > on many disks, most players don't decode it. Fox keeps sticking DTS-MA
> > on their stuff, and exactly ZERO BD players can deal with it. And the
> > studios keep bitching that 7.1 LPCM takes up too much space.
> >
> > Life would have been so much simpler if Sony had stayed out of it. That
> > way more mfgs would have come to the simpler, more stable HDDVD format.
> >
> > While not all the studios are doing TrueHD with HDDVD, the option is
> > there for them to do it. And on HDDVD, TrueHD is supported by every
> > single HDDVD player manufactured to date. Something far from true on
> > the BD side.
> >
> > That's why the war is still going on. Of course, as consumers, we
> > should be thrilled that it is. Do you think the player pricing we see
> > today would be this low if one or the other had 'won'? With the
> > absolutely pathetic sales of all titles in any HD format, do you think
> > we would have this many titles out already?
> >
> > If you believe either of those, then the tooth fairy should have left me
> > my money by now! ;-)- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Again there's only one title with TrueHD and no PCM, Iwo Jima. All
> other TrueHD movie titles also have PCM.

That's for now. Personally I think a 7.1 LPCM track should be on all of
them and quit worrying about all these newer codecs. But that's just me.

>
> Moot point. All players do PCM. All players can decode the lossy 1.5
> Mbps DTS legacy track encoded inside the DTS-MA track.
> Lions Gate aren't bitching about 7.1 PCM. They've got three titles
> already slated with it. Ghost in the Shell 2 has a 7.1 PCM track
> (English)
>
It isn't moot. Why have DTS-MA when all the players do DTS without the
extra space of DTS-MA being used when DTS is all your going to hear?

Wow! 3 whole titles with 7.1? I'm really impressed, NOT!

> There's nothing stable at all about the HD DVD format. Judging by the
> PQ on Blood Diamond all the extra features being touted take up so
> much room on the lower capacity lower bandwidth format that the PQ is
> suffering, even with VC-1. There's just not enough time to squeeze a
> good looking encode when using that much room for all the extra
> features. On Blu-ray of course, there is.

I take it you've not seen the SD version of Blood Diamond then. The PQ
is exactly what the director wanted or so I've been told.

But instead of talking technology, which won't sell in volumes, between
the two formats. Let's talk about the dollars, which will sell.

Conjecture is that the HDDVD entry point will be $199 or less by the
Xmas shopping season. Best guess for BD is $399. We'll have to wait to
see of course, but assuming that is true. Why should J6P pay $399 to
play some movies in Hi Def and the rest in SD, when he can pay $199 and
do the same thing?

What this says is that the format war is so far from over that it isn't
even close. You BD fanboys always want to talk the technology you could
use if your machines could actually do all those things.

Then along comes Warner, 300 is coming out with all kinds of 'extras' on
HD that they can't do on BD because your machines aren't ready for it.

Of course, after 10/31/2007 the new BD machines will be able to do it,
but exactly zero of the current models will. (Edit: PS3 MIGHT be able
to do them with firmware upgrades, but no official word about that)

So for those all humped up about the extras, they gotta buy a new BD
player. At what cost? And what is their current one going to be worth
in the second hand market?

[Back to original message]