Posted by ninphan on 09/24/07 17:03

On Sep 23, 5:15 am, ChairmanOfTheBored <RUBo...@crackasmile.org>
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> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:04:02 -0700, ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com>
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> >On Sep 20, 5:32 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> In article <1190320783.833702.316...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
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> >> ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Sep 19, 4:45 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> >> > > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >> > > >>Believe me, a few months with Blu-Boy, and a PS3 was the LAST thing on
> >> > > >>this good green earth I was interested in getting as a player... >_<
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> >> > > >>But FWIH, you're not the only one who threw Sony out with the bathwater
> >> > > >>over the first/second-gen S300 mistake--
> >> > > >>Me, I was keeping an eye on Samsung, but after their hoped-for third-gen
> >> > > >>hadn't gotten their Profile yet, I had to face the tech-player advice
> >> > > >>that the PS3 really *was* the only good current '07 Sony standalone out
> >> > > >>there for firmware upgrade ability.
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> >> > > > But Sony is damn mum about how far they will go to upgrade the PS3.
> >> > > > There is no assurance it will happen. FWIW, I think it will be.
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> >> > > > So I'll just wait a bit before buying any new BD player.
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> >> > > Not as mum as Sharp is about specs on their mysterious Q4 Aquos player--
> >> > > Which's why I'm also keeping an eye on the "third player" before
> >> > > *officially* going PS3...After CES'08 at the earliest.
> >> > > (To bring us back to topic.)
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> >> > > But the issue on PS3 was over whether the chips COULD upgrade to
> >> > > firmware updates, which seems to have been the stumbling block so far
> >> > > with the S300 and other early standalones--
> >> > > The chips on the home-theater models proved to be so unadaptable to
> >> > > other uses, they haven't responded well to upgrades as well as the
> >> > > all-purpose models.
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> >> > > (And y'see, here we're back to that little "It'll still work tomorrow"
> >> > > thing that frustrates the "Already available" HD fans who can't
> >> > > understand why Blu fans have patience about "what isn't out yet":
> >> > > Always have to buy your clothes with growing room.)
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> >> > > Derek Janssen
> >> > > eja...@comcast.net
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> >> > Blu-ray fans probably have patience because they don't care about PIP
> >> > getting in the way of watching the main movie.
> >> > It's all about picture quality and the Blu-ray players have it and the
> >> > HD DVD players with the exception of the XA2 do not.
> >> > 1080p/24 on a set that accepts and displays at either 72Hz or 120Hz is
> >> > always going to be a more accurate picture than a 1080i/60 source.
> >> > Just look at Gary Merson's numerous tests done on sets with that input
> >> > signal - disastrous, over 50% failure on deinterlacing and worse on
> >> > 3:2 pulldown on 1080i/60 sources like the A2.
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> >> Fanboi PQ bullshit is the best way to describe your post about the PQ of
> >> a BD over HDDVD player. I have both and neither are better than the
> >> other for PQ and AQ. Virtually every consumer review has said that very
> >> same thing.
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> >> And I guess PIP isn't important when you don't have it. But you can bet
> >> your ass that the first 1.1 player will be touting it to the roof and
> >> all you fanbois will be lining up to brag about it.
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> >> > I keep hearing a lot about price and Toshiba has had players at the
> >> > $200 mark often this year, yet HD DVD still cannot win a single week's
> >> > worth of sales, not one week, this whole entire year!!! It's Q4 in 10
> >> > days and HD DVD looks like HD DUD I'm afraid. Call it fanboyism if you
> >> > wish, I call it reality. I call it a desire to see an end to the war
> >> > with the best format on the market and that is Blu-ray.
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> >> With the huge number of BD players out there, BD movies should be
> >> selling at 4:1 or more, yet they can't even quite get to 2:1.
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> >> > I also keep hearing a lot about how HD DVD has a finished spec, yet
> >> > now I hear a lot about HD51 discs! I guess the spec isn't finished at
> >> > all is it?
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> >> The spec is finished, HD51 is about the next spec. Frankly other than
> >> bragging rights, I can't figure out why they want it at all.
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> >> > Sharp have released their specs. It supports TrueHD decoding,
> >> > bitstream audio out through HDMI of DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD,
> >> > DTS-HD, Dolby Digital Plus and is profile 1.0 compliant as it is being
> >> > released before October 31st, 2007. Their all in one BD-MPC70 Blu-ray
> >> > Home Cinema System is a different story. It will be released in Spring
> >> > 2008 and will be at least profile 1.1 compliant, much like the
> >> > upcoming Denon DVD-3800BD player.
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> >> > As for Blu-ray players starting at $500 for this Christmas...where do
> >> > people come up with this crap? Do they not bother researching before
> >> > typing?
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> >> > The new Samsung BD-P1400 with DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD
> >> > support through HDMI bitstream 1.3a and 1080p/24 output is $429.90
> >> > The BDP-S300 is $439
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> >> When posting general pricing, MSRP is almost always used as special
> >> deals come and go.
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> >> But let's assume you are correct and those prices hold up. Then they
> >> are more than twice as high as the expected price of HDDVD entry
> >> machines.
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> >> > This is with another three months to go before the holidays! Prices
> >> > will not be a factor when people bother to look at what's
> >> > available...and they will. Fox, Disney and Sony will all have either
> >> > endcaps or big signs in stores with Die Hard 4, Silver Surfer, Spider-
> >> > man 3, Ratatouille and Pirates of the Caribbean 3 all being solely
> >> > available on Blu-ray and Warner will have similar cutouts to the ones
> >> > they had for "300" where both HD DVD and Blu-ray are prominently
> >> > advertised. Transformers and Bourne just won't cut it against all this
> >> > exposure people will be getting to Blu-ray.
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> >> Assuming Fox actually does release this time, and that certainly is not
> >> a given.
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> >> > Aside from that, this Christmas is when J6P will be picking up an
> >> > HDTV, not picking up a high definition player.
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> >> You hope... :-)- Hide quoted text -
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> >Sorry Lloyd but it's not fanboi PQ bullshit and if you read the links
> >I posted you know that. If you don't know who Gary Merson is, google
> >him quickly before you embarrass yourself some more.
>
> >3:2 pulldown and deinterlacing are not fanboi myths, they are
> >realities. If you want to spend a few thousand dollars on an external
> >scaler then go ahead, or you can read results and find out if your set
> >deinterlaces properly and performs a proper cadence, other wise you
> >are just flat out lying when you suggest a 1080i player is as good for
> >PQ as a 1080p/24 player on the average 1080p television, because the
> >test results clearly show that it IS NOT.
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> The 120Hz displays hitting the market changes all of that CRAP.
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> 24 X 5 = 120.
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Sorry but you're wrong - the 120Hz argument has nothing to do with
deinterlacing abilities of a television set.
I think you're confusing the deinterlacing problems with 3:2 pulldown
causing judder.
120Hz televisions themselves aren't always going to recognize 1080i/60
to begin with, nevermind deinterlace it properly and then again
nevermind display it with the correct cadence.

Decoding, de-interlacing, motion correction, noise reduction, film
cadence detection, and detail enhancement can all be tested with a
Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark test. If you think buying a 120Hz or 72Hz
(24x3) television suddenly fixes all these problems then you're going
to have a lot of friends at your local HDTV dealer's store.

Do yourself a favour and read - http://www.hqv.com/benchmark.cfm

=D

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