Posted by PTravel on 10/26/07 16:05

"Bill" <trash@chromehorse.net> wrote in message
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> About twenty years ago, I realized that using "consensus" to agree to
> every major purpose amounted to a virtual veto by the wife, since I never
> had any reason to disagree with any of *her* purchases.
>
> Now it's her looking strangely at my camcorder which I've had for several
> years and going, "hey, when did you get this?" or looking at my Sony HD
> minidisc and going, "what is that?".
>
> Sometimes, in revenge, she will replace a broken appliance.
>
> My plan is working perfectly....

My wife just made a high-ticket purchase of something she wanted. The
timing is just right for me to get this camcorder. ;)

>
> PTravel wrote:
>> Okay, I just ordered an HV20 from B&H. Don't tell my wife! ;)
>>
>>
>> "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
>> news:np1Ui.2762$qo2.873@trndny06...
>>
>>> Arny,
>>>
>>> I am totally unfamiliar with the "green square in the upper right
>>> corner" issue you refer to, and suggest you post this question on the
>>> most active HV20 forum I know of, at:
>>>
>>> http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=139
>>>
>>> I find it really hard to believe that this is a design flaw in the
>>> camera, and assume it is more likely a defect in your specific camera
>>> and would be repaired under warranty.
>>>
>>> As regards latency, I am again at a bit of loss to understand your
>>> comment. Since you are apparently not recording the camera output, but
>>> merely using the HV20 as a video camera, you may be seeing a delay in
>>> the HDMI or Firewire output due to the time it takes for the camera to
>>> encode the video / audio, and then the additional time it takes for your
>>> monitor to decode them. Having not used the HV20 as a live camera, I
>>> cannot confirm that this indeed does happen with the HV20, but it would
>>> not surprise me at all. In this regard, I imagine that both Firewire and
>>> HDMI output from any of the HD (and SD) cameras will exhibit this to a
>>> lesser or greater extent. If the lag time between the live scene and the
>>> monitor display is objectionable, you could see if the connection you
>>> are is using analog or digital, and if digital, whether you are using
>>> Firewire or HDMI, both of which the camera provides. It would very
>>> likely improve the latency if you switched from Firewire to HDMI, and
>>> further improve it if you switched from either of these to analog
>>> (component) output. This is a rather simple experiment to conduct, and
>>> assumes your monitor supports the different input modes. Component
>>> output should exhibit the least lag, but this may still be
>>> objectionable.
>>>
>>> I have not tried the tele adapter, but frankly think that 10X optical
>>> zoom and the 200X effective digital zoom, is difficult enough to control
>>> / stabilize, even with a tripod. High def demands a nice, stable image,
>>> and my own experience with the 10X optical combined with the effective
>>> 200X digital zoom makes the need for an extra tele lens very unlikely.
>>> As an experiment, I would suggest engaging the digital zoom and watching
>>> how well this "tele adapter" really works in the situation you describe.
>>> If the view of the now enlarged pulpit at 120 feet away is stable with
>>> the various movement you have in the room (footsteps, tripod shake,
>>> pulpit and people movement, etc.), then an add-on optical tele extender
>>> may be the answer. The digital zoom sacrifices detail / resolution and I
>>> am not suggesting it as a the 'final' solution, but rather as a way to
>>> anticipate how much jitter / shake / movement the scene is likely to
>>> undergo before investing in the optical tele lens accessory.
>>>
>>> Hope these provide some useful help to you.
>>>
>>> Smarty
>>>
>>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9N2dnS2TI-1F4L3anZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2cwTi.27883$DX.13741@trnddc06...
>>>>
>>>>> I've been touting the HV20 for quite a while now, and it is really a
>>>>> true bargain, a joy to travel with, and remarkably capable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We use a HV20 at church, primarily as a 4:3 format camera with video
>>>> output. We don't use the built-in recorder.
>>>>
>>>> The image quality was a fantastic upgrade over its predecessor, but I
>>>> have two complaints:
>>>>
>>>> (1) The green square in the upper right hand corner, which I don't know
>>>> how to make go away.
>>>>
>>>> (2) As a camera, it seems to have a lot of latency.
>>>>
>>>>> Also quite surprising to me is the fact that Canon's wide angle (high
>>>>> def) adapter, made specifically for the HV-20, takes the lens out to a
>>>>> very respectable field of view but does not compromise sharpness,
>>>>> chromatic aberration / fringing, or shown vignetting. On a stable
>>>>> tripod with the wide angle converter, this little camera makes truly
>>>>> excellent landscape, panorama, and nature shots look as good and often
>>>>> better than anything I can see here off of commercial BluRay, HD
>>>>> satellite, cable, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any experience with the tele-adaptor? We use ours mostly to shoot at a
>>>> pulpit which is about 120 feet away, and the image quality at that
>>>> distance is reduced in quality (still worlds better than the
>>>> predecessor), apparently by operation at max zoom.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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