Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 11/16/07 15:27

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<4b12cdcc-3d14-4b0c-bd9e-bb084d16be17@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
ninphan <sjburke73@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 15, 3:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <054ea034-7277-4b9e-98b2-e8387ab4a...@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 15, 2:31 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > In article <WT1%i.7927$NC.3619@trndny07>,
> > > > Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > ninphan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Nov 15, 2:04 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>As for whether or not the 1.0 players will be able to play with
> > > > > >>>>featurettes, they demonstrated this on the DMP-BD10A with War.
> > > > > >>>>Not
> > > > > >>>>only will it let you play the 1.1 parts separately, but it
> > > > > >>>>doesn't
> > > > > >>>>need any input from the user - it recognizes what the player is
> > > > > >>>>capable of and will offer the menus based on that.
> >
> > > > > >>>Although according to HD supporters this week, Blu having 1.1 is
> > > > > >>>now
> > > > > >>>apparently a BAD thing, as "Uninformed customers might not realize
> > > > > >>>they
> > > > > >>>can't play 1.1 disks on an early non-updated player, and end up
> > > > > >>>bringing
> > > > > >>>a class-action suit against Sony..."
> >
> > > > > >>>(Yes. I don't make these quotes up.
> > > > > >>>So, Blu fans are jealous of HD for having something that could get
> > > > > >>>the
> > > > > >>>company sued...I'm confused, which way is the wind blowing today?)
> >
> > > > > >>Well, you claim you don't make them up, but where is the link?-
> > > > > >>Hide
> > > > > >>quoted
> > > > > >>text -
> >
> > > > > > Go towww.highdefdigest.com, click on the "Forums" tab, click on the
> > > > > > HD DVD vs.Blu-ray Smackdown forum.
> >
> > > > > > The thread will be within the first two pages. Pretty stupid
> > > > > > really.
> > > > > > In fact the majority of pro-HD DVD threads in there are just
> > > > > > reiterated bullshit, nonsense, the kind of stuff the European HD
> > > > > > DVD
> > > > > > Promotions Group likes to utter. That place sure went downhill
> > > > > > quickly
> > > > > > when AVS Forum was shut down.
> >
> > > > > And again, the idea of HD simply saying "You'll be sor-ree!" with any
> > > > > new Blu innovation seems to be keeping in line with the current HD
> > > > > strategy of finding comfort in hopes that their product will win the
> > > > > war
> > > > > by ACCIDENT, rather than any active public acceptance...
> > > > > People buying cheap players because they don't know better, and kids
> > > > > who
> > > > > want Transformers anyway, and all that.
> >
> > > > > It's one thing to actually have some forward-looking ambition for
> > > > > your
> > > > > technology beyond the immediate competition, and another to be almost
> > > > > thoroughly obsessed with schoolyard tactics against Brand A to
> > > > > "avenge"
> > > > > losing public face--
> > > > > HD's existence seems to have now almost *literally* become "A product
> > > > > to
> > > > > annoy Blu-ray". Me, I'll go with the one that's not stagnating in
> > > > > the
> > > > > marketplace, as only dead things float downstream.
> >
> > > > > Derek Janssen
> > > > > ejan...@verizon.net
> >
> > > > I'll go with the one that wins... Oh wait, I already have, I have
> > > > both.
> > > > And realistically I think that both is what wins the niche. At the
> > > > rate
> > > > this phony war is going, niche is the best they get.
> >
> > > > But to call BD innovative when what the newer profiles are doing is
> > > > just
> > > > bringing it up to the current and initial HDDVD specifications is a bit
> > > > of a stretch, don't you think?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > As long as both remain supported, niche is as good as it gets.
> >
> > > Throwing support behind the format most likely to succeed is my MO, as
> > > that's the only way one will be successful and all content will stand
> > > a chance of being released.
> >
> > > One format CAN become mainstream. It is very unlikely to be HD DVD as
> > > North America is the only place it's still holding on. The number of
> > > different CE's making standalone players is about to double within the
> > > next 6-8 months as well.
> >
> > That is your read, and I respect that.
> >
> > Mine is that I see no way that BD can win in the short term, say within
> > a year. The pricing is way too high to become the next big thing, imo.
> > There has to be at least one BD player that is at or near the impulse
> > buy price. Today that just isn't there, and not even close to it.
> >
> > I've seen it said that all the studios should be putting their movies
> > out on both formats. Well, that would be the kiss of death for BD and
> > is why you won't see that happen.
> >
> > Currently I buy more BD movies but that is because of the BOGO sales
> > that keep popping up. But the list that shows up is all too often the
> > same list that has been coming up. Gonna need a new list if the BOGO
> > keeps working. And I think that BOGO is critical to BD this buying
> > season as I expect there to be more $100 HDDVD player sales before the
> > dust settles.- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> Why would all studios putting out their movies be the kiss of death
> for Blu-ray?
> The majority of Warner's neutral titles sell anywhere from 1.7:1 to
> 2.5:1 in favour of Blu-ray.
>
> Your statement does not hold up to scrutiny at all.
>
Then your reading and prophecy skills are lacking.

The thing that is keeping BD viable in the market at all is the studio
support. If all studios were releasing all of their hidef dvds on both
formats, HDDVD with the much lower price on players would win hands down.

And with so many more BD players out there, the ratio should be much
higher.

> As for BOGO's, I would expect a Fox one when Bourne comes out - the
> last one they had was extremely successful.

Yep, I'll be watching. BOGO has been very good for BD. Unfortunately
Fox hasn't been so good. Announced and pull seems to describe them to a
"T" doesn't it?

The newest thing that is trailing in the BD camp is DTS-HDMA. HDDVD has
it now in some models, BD still doesn't have it at all. Yet Fox is
using the hell out of it and has been for quite some time.

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