Posted by Lloyd Parsons on 11/16/07 18:24

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<a8ffdf54-ca1a-4c5e-bd9b-bfb23654cc25@b36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
ninphan <sjburke73@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 16, 10:27 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <4b12cdcc-3d14-4b0c-bd9e-bb084d16b...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 15, 3:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <054ea034-7277-4b9e-98b2-e8387ab4a...@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > ninphan <sjburk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 15, 2:31 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <WT1%i.7927$NC.3619@trndny07>,
> > > > > > Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > ninphan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 2:04 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>>As for whether or not the 1.0 players will be able to play
> > > > > > > >>>>with
> > > > > > > >>>>featurettes, they demonstrated this on the DMP-BD10A with
> > > > > > > >>>>War.
> > > > > > > >>>>Not
> > > > > > > >>>>only will it let you play the 1.1 parts separately, but it
> > > > > > > >>>>doesn't
> > > > > > > >>>>need any input from the user - it recognizes what the player
> > > > > > > >>>>is
> > > > > > > >>>>capable of and will offer the menus based on that.
> >
> > > > > > > >>>Although according to HD supporters this week, Blu having 1.1
> > > > > > > >>>is
> > > > > > > >>>now
> > > > > > > >>>apparently a BAD thing, as "Uninformed customers might not
> > > > > > > >>>realize
> > > > > > > >>>they
> > > > > > > >>>can't play 1.1 disks on an early non-updated player, and end
> > > > > > > >>>up
> > > > > > > >>>bringing
> > > > > > > >>>a class-action suit against Sony..."
> >
> > > > > > > >>>(Yes. I don't make these quotes up.
> > > > > > > >>>So, Blu fans are jealous of HD for having something that could
> > > > > > > >>>get
> > > > > > > >>>the
> > > > > > > >>>company sued...I'm confused, which way is the wind blowing
> > > > > > > >>>today?)
> >
> > > > > > > >>Well, you claim you don't make them up, but where is the link?-
> > > > > > > >>Hide
> > > > > > > >>quoted
> > > > > > > >>text -
> >
> > > > > > > > Go towww.highdefdigest.com, click on the "Forums" tab, click on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > HD DVD vs.Blu-ray Smackdown forum.
> >
> > > > > > > > The thread will be within the first two pages. Pretty stupid
> > > > > > > > really.
> > > > > > > > In fact the majority of pro-HD DVD threads in there are just
> > > > > > > > reiterated bullshit, nonsense, the kind of stuff the European
> > > > > > > > HD
> > > > > > > > DVD
> > > > > > > > Promotions Group likes to utter. That place sure went downhill
> > > > > > > > quickly
> > > > > > > > when AVS Forum was shut down.
> >
> > > > > > > And again, the idea of HD simply saying "You'll be sor-ree!" with
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > new Blu innovation seems to be keeping in line with the current
> > > > > > > HD
> > > > > > > strategy of finding comfort in hopes that their product will win
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > war
> > > > > > > by ACCIDENT, rather than any active public acceptance...
> > > > > > > People buying cheap players because they don't know better, and
> > > > > > > kids
> > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > want Transformers anyway, and all that.
> >
> > > > > > > It's one thing to actually have some forward-looking ambition for
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > technology beyond the immediate competition, and another to be
> > > > > > > almost
> > > > > > > thoroughly obsessed with schoolyard tactics against Brand A to
> > > > > > > "avenge"
> > > > > > > losing public face--
> > > > > > > HD's existence seems to have now almost *literally* become "A
> > > > > > > product
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > annoy Blu-ray". Me, I'll go with the one that's not stagnating
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > marketplace, as only dead things float downstream.
> >
> > > > > > > Derek Janssen
> > > > > > > ejan...@verizon.net
> >
> > > > > > I'll go with the one that wins... Oh wait, I already have, I have
> > > > > > both.
> > > > > > And realistically I think that both is what wins the niche. At the
> > > > > > rate
> > > > > > this phony war is going, niche is the best they get.
> >
> > > > > > But to call BD innovative when what the newer profiles are doing is
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > bringing it up to the current and initial HDDVD specifications is a
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > of a stretch, don't you think?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > As long as both remain supported, niche is as good as it gets.
> >
> > > > > Throwing support behind the format most likely to succeed is my MO,
> > > > > as
> > > > > that's the only way one will be successful and all content will stand
> > > > > a chance of being released.
> >
> > > > > One format CAN become mainstream. It is very unlikely to be HD DVD as
> > > > > North America is the only place it's still holding on. The number of
> > > > > different CE's making standalone players is about to double within
> > > > > the
> > > > > next 6-8 months as well.
> >
> > > > That is your read, and I respect that.
> >
> > > > Mine is that I see no way that BD can win in the short term, say within
> > > > a year. The pricing is way too high to become the next big thing, imo.
> > > >
> > > > There has to be at least one BD player that is at or near the impulse
> > > > buy price. Today that just isn't there, and not even close to it.
> >
> > > > I've seen it said that all the studios should be putting their movies
> > > > out on both formats. Well, that would be the kiss of death for BD and
> > > > is why you won't see that happen.
> >
> > > > Currently I buy more BD movies but that is because of the BOGO sales
> > > > that keep popping up. But the list that shows up is all too often the
> > > > same list that has been coming up. Gonna need a new list if the BOGO
> > > > keeps working. And I think that BOGO is critical to BD this buying
> > > > season as I expect there to be more $100 HDDVD player sales before the
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> > > Why would all studios putting out their movies be the kiss of death
> > > for Blu-ray?
> > > The majority of Warner's neutral titles sell anywhere from 1.7:1 to
> > > 2.5:1 in favour of Blu-ray.
> >
> > > Your statement does not hold up to scrutiny at all.
> >
> > Then your reading and prophecy skills are lacking.
> >
> > The thing that is keeping BD viable in the market at all is the studio
> > support. If all studios were releasing all of their hidef dvds on both
> > formats, HDDVD with the much lower price on players would win hands down.
> >
> > And with so many more BD players out there, the ratio should be much
> > higher.
> >
> > > As for BOGO's, I would expect a Fox one when Bourne comes out - the
> > > last one they had was extremely successful.
> >
> > Yep, I'll be watching. BOGO has been very good for BD. Unfortunately
> > Fox hasn't been so good. Announced and pull seems to describe them to a
> > "T" doesn't it?
> >
> > The newest thing that is trailing in the BD camp is DTS-HDMA. HDDVD has
> > it now in some models, BD still doesn't have it at all. Yet Fox is
> > using the hell out of it and has been for quite some time.- Hide quoted
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> Again I disagree - without insulting your comprehension skills I'll
> merely reiterate that Warner is releasing on both formats and 60-70%
> of their sales are Blu-ray.
> Hence if all studios were releasing neutrally there is no logical
> reason to wonder why that would make any difference to disc sales.

Obviously the studios don't agree with your assessment since they won't
go neutral.

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