Posted by nappy on 01/19/08 00:14

"Spex" <No.spam@ta.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jim" <jimmy AT hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> nappy wrote:
>>>>> "Ma3rk" <m3dwhitney@att.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> I'm very impressed with all
>>>>>> the new hardware, but to be honest, the more I use the Mac OS, the
>>>>>> more I like XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. I have dual boot Intel Mac Pro 8 core machien swith Premiere
>>>>> CS3 and FCP on the same machine. I regret the rare occasions I have to
>>>>> use FCP and OSX. Slower than XP by a wide margin. Finally we CAN
>>>>> compare the two OS's on the same machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That would seem rather a strange choice to purchase a Mac Pro then use
>>>> XP. Surely you could have build a system more powerful for a lot less
>>>> if you are PC orientated?
>>>>
>>>> I know of your pathological hate for FCP so am a bit surprised you
>>>> purchased it. :)
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you use Vista BTW out of interest?
>>> IMO, now with Dual Boot and Parallels, if you are in a media creation
>>> business, an Intel Mac is a no brainer as a new machine purchase (unless
>>> you still need legacy pci slots or have a Windows box only piece of
>>> hardware). There are fantastic tools for us to use on both sides of the
>>> operating system camp.
>>> Even if Tiger etc isn't your main boot up of choice, it is awesome
>>> having the full aresnal available.
>>> Having a preference on which OS we prefer to work in is one thing, but
>>> denying ourselves fantastic software that is available because of this
>>> preference is plain wrong. For me just having Live Type on a machine is
>>> reason enough to get a Mactel. Even if that was the only Mac program I
>>> used.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Actually there is nothing you can do on a mac that can not be done faster
>> on a PC. I don't own mine for the 'tools' Because they are largely in
>> pretty poor shape. Examples:
>>
>> Shake.. is a mess. Old interface, poor support and a tiny user basse put
>> it in the twilight zone at Apple..
>
> Dude, Shake is used everywhere. It is _the_ film level compositor and
> woven into most film comping pipelines worldwide. That's a fact. Shake's
> interface is absolutely not a mess in fact it is extremely intuitive. In
> fact Nuke 5 is almost a carbon copy and that's still in beta. It doesn't
> matter at all that Shake is EOLed as it will live on for years in the film
> compositing field.

Yes.. I worded that incorrectly. The implemenation of Shake on OSX is funky.
I have a lot of problems with stability.
I agree that it is a widely used app.. Or was. but the fact that it is dead
in the water makes it less attractive as something to excel at.
I do find the interface odd as hell though!

>
>> Motion.. What a TERD. it is slow and very very painful and crashes like a
>> dog driving a taxi. It is a DOG. NO rla or rpf or Camera import..


> Crashes? I've had about 1 in 18 months. As for speed I completely
> disagree. If you are having speed issues your workflow might need
> adjusting. It is not exactly surprising that it doesn't have rla and rpf
> support as...er nobody uses them anyway. Motion is not a compositor it is
> a motion graphics app for FCS.


Spex.. When we use motion for even the simplest things we found that in
short order it grinds to a turtle slow halt.. And routinely crashes. It is
pretty bad. I am surprised that you haven't had the same experience. All we
were doing was trying to work with particles.. Pretty simple stuff. No.. I
find Motion to be rather poor.

It may be a motion graphics app for FCP but it would benefit from being able
to import cameras etc.. It is , after all, a compositor when it all comes
down to it. In short it is pretty useless here.

I wish you lived closer. I could use your help on this TV series.

Nobody uses rich pixel formats? I find them very useful for carrying
velocity, Z and material / object data form 3D apps.. Waddya mean nobody
uses them? Am I alone here? :)

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