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Posted by FatKat on 09/18/05 05:04
iluvzlayur wrote:
> FatKat wrote:
> > If you don't get greedy? But if you remain a paragon among cheap
> > assholes you can pretty much get away with anything.
>
> Why the name-calling?
Call you a cheap bastard - that was your suggestion.
> If you aren't a cheap asshole, why would you download any song from
> WinMx when you already know that other people have been successfully
> prosecuted for exactly that?
I DL obscure music that's hard to find. Oh that's right, you can't get
that obscure music because Open Nap hates you.
> You are a cheap asshole too.
I must be - that $15 exacto knife is pretty expensive, not to mention
the mileage you burn up going to enough stores to amass 5,000 songs.
All I spend are ISP fees.
>
> > Of course
> > cheapness or greed really isn't the issue as much as purposeless
> > stupidity, namely the effort and expense that you have gone through
> > just to get what many of us already have obtained through file share.
>
> I takes me about 1 hour to rip two new cd's and return them to the
> store. That's about 35 songs. Plus I have a different mindset than
> you; I like to do it because I like the challenge of defeating the
> system and getting away with it.
I think the trouble you go through is the victory of the system. All
that for a bunch of songs? RIAA must be happy to know that these are
the ends that some pirates would go. Between the two of us, they're
probably happier with you and you're "Mission: Impossible" style. The
rest of us accepted the challenge of learning how to use software like
WinMX which comes with no instruction manual or help-page.
>
> > We are cheaper, not because we're that careful with our money, but
> > can't imagine going to the above trouble needlessly.
>
> It's neither purposeless nor needless....you get free songs which are
> indisputably of good quality.
Actually, I already get songs of good quality - I either buy them or
get them from WinMX.
>
> > An exacto knife
> > and glue? Cutting carefully around the edges? Careful and judicious
> > timing of your returns? "The Great Escape" didn't require that much
> > planning.
>
> But some people who love music, would think my procedure IS worth the
> effort. Do ALL New Yorkers immediately assume that they way they think
> is the way everybody else thinks?
Actually no - they don't even expect common-sense to be all that
universal, which is why you're method of piracy isn't all that
surprising. What is surprising is that nobdy's sold you a CD that has
already been through your procedure with another buyer. Unsurprising
as it is, your procedure makes no sense. It's time consuming and labor
intensive to say the least, by an order of magnitude in comparison to
winmx, for the same profit. That conclusion requires no assumption,
merely reasoning.
>
> > Among tales of music piracy, the above pedantry amounts to
> > "The Da Vinci Code" of music bootlegging.
>
> False analogy; the da vinci code is bullshit,
sounds like you've pinned it real good - DVC was bullshit.
> but there's no bullshit or fakery about ripping cd's. Unless you don't
> really want the songs, and you just keep deleting them after you rip
> them.
It was the ends you unneccessarily went to get that music that makes
you the Dan Brown of piracy - always the more complicated answer for
the same result.
>
> > We dishonest freeloading
> > bastards share our stuff, rather than stick somebody else for paying
> > for our left-overs.
>
> Methinks the RIAA is getting stuck by everybody who obtains their
> copyrighted music without paying for it. There is simply no denying
> that they lose money due to such file-sharing.
an old argument, not likely to be resolved in this thread, and entirely
irrelevant to your argument.
>
> > BTW, has anybody on this NG ever worked in a store
> > where this sort of thing was discovered after the return was made? I
> > wonder what happens to the cashier who signs off on that return.
> > Hmmmmm
>
> I have. I worked a returns and exchanges counter for about 2 weeks. I
> fired after I refunded money to my friend who returned 26 cd's she
> bought earlier that day. None of them had the plastic wrapping on
> them, and none of them had the cd's in them either. My manager yelled
> "goddam!" when he found out. I am currently suing them for religious
> discrimination.
There's a religion based on subourning theft?
>
> > Also that bit about 5000 songs in a few months - maybe I'm not quite
> > the music connosueir that you are, but DL problems aren't the cause of
> > my small collection. If there were 5000 songs worth listening to, I'd
> > probably DL them.
>
> You aren't quite the music connosueir I am.
Actually, if you're less discriminating than I am, you're no connoseur
at all.
>
> > The only stuff I couldn't get is likely so obscure
> > that few music stores would be likely to have it either.
>
> I have lots of obscure stuff that i haven't seen anywhere else. For
> example, an hour's worth of recording outtakes by Garth Brooks, singing
> "the dance".
Garth Brooks? I take back the above - you are a connousuer, but of
what, we'll leave for others....
>
> Anyway, just
> > how far and wide would you have to go to "buy" 5000 songs worth of
> > albums to return without arousing suspicion?
>
> 5 stores in my city, each with at least 4 different people that work
> the returns counter. And you can return to the same person if you wait
> and return to other clerks and stores first. One clerk accepts returns
> from me every single day, and she neither knows me nor remembers me.
Have you ever considered robbing the place - seeing how you've cased it
so well? Garth Brooks would be proud as punch to know that his fans
will employ a hit man's precision to acquire his music. "There has got
to be a way" he thinks "to make some money off this guy."
> We have sex every other night. The more music she allows me to return,
> the more I put out in bed. When she once allowed me to return 13 new
> dvds, she got written up for it at work. But she said that night was
> the best sex she ever got from me. I buy her alcohol, she helps with
> my scheme. It's a world gone mad.
Actually, it's par for the course on this NG. Normally, whenever
somebody adopts an unpopular viewpoint and can't substantiate it over
getting slammed by others, the talk typically turns to sexual
supremacy. Typical, though not very plausible.
>
> > Seems to me that at some
> > point, somebody's going to remember you, and those butterflies in your
> > stomach (?!) will have an excuse to let loose.
>
> I was remembered one time by a female clerk at a K-Mart. She was about
> to refuse the return, and turned to speak to her manager. I sucker
> punched her in the back of the head. The police were called and the
> one of them speedily refunded my money while the clerk I punched lay on
> the booth floor, vomitting and dizzy.
Ofcourse, they refuse to refund, until you sucker punch one of their
employees into a puke-fugue. Happens all the time in NY - oh wait,
there I go making assumptions again.
>
> > The funniest bit is that you're going through this wear and tear
> > because you can't get into open nap.
>
> Good point, however, it also has to do with me using up time to
> download a song from WinMx, then playing it and discovering that it is
> either some other song entirely, or sounds very gritty, in definance of
> the stats WinMx showed for them.
What stats are you talking about? I get high-quality sound from WinMX
(the same can't be said for the video, though that's likely because
most of it is from old TV shows badly ripped from VHS. You're likely
to encounter bad quality down the line anyway if you transcode or if
you burn to CD which we know doesn't last forever.
> If you spent a fraction of the
> > above effort just learning how open nap works (and I suspect you could
> > do with some help on WPN as well) you probably wouldn't need to resort
> > to reliving "Catch me if you can" every time you wanted to get some
> > great music.
>
> But again, I love the feeling of knowing I have defeated a protection
> scheme and gotten away with it.
The system was never designed to utterly stop theft, merely make it as
impractical as possible, and force those determined to end run it to be
as impractical as possible. Sounds to me like they succeeded. And
what utterly convincing and concrete response can you provide which is
guaranteed to wow us with its inherent believability?
> That's why I never wear condoms when I have one-night stands in other
> states.
The other states being other states of conciousness.
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