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Posted by khobar on 09/21/05 19:07
"anthonyberet" <nospam@me.invalid> wrote in message
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> khobar wrote:
> > "anthonyberet" <nospam@me.invalid> wrote in message
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> >>khobar wrote:
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> >>>>khobar wrote:
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> >>>>>"anthonyberet" <nospam@me.invalid> wrote in message
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> >>>>>>Karrde wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>"B-Hate-Me" <BHateMe@home> wrote in message
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> >>>>>>>>>"Nate" <thejedi@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:pdCUe.1652$vQ3.154@trnddc08...
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> >>>>>>>>>>Does any one have a copy of the Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith
> >
> > movie
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>without a counter display? Every copy i've downloaded so far is
> >
> > just
> >
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>same file with a different name and it has something like:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>You realize that you've just admitted to committing a felony
> >>>>>>>>>on a global newsgroup......Right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>copyright infringement is not a felony. you can be sued, but it
is
> >>>
> >>>not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>illegal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Just because it's not a felony doesn't mean it's not illegal. At
the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>very
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>least, it's a shitty thing to do. I've heard all of the attempts
to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>justify
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>it, but it's still stealing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>OH, FFS! - When is this old chestnut going to be put to bed?
> >>>>>>- It is *not* stealing. The legal definition of stealing is quite
> >>>>>>specific, and does not apply to copyright infringement.
> >>>>>>You may personally think it is morally equivalent to stealing, but
it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>>>>>quite untrue to say it *is* stealing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Please post the legal definition of stealing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>In which jurisdiction?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Whichever one you were referring to when you said the "legal definition
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>stealing is quite
> >>>specific, and does not apply to copyright infringement."
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sorry, I was being sarky ;-)
> >>Obviously the defs are quite long, but Wikipedia boils it down to:
> >>
> >>'In the common law, theft is usually defined as the unauthorised taking
> >>or use of someone else's property with the intent to permanently deprive
> >>the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its
> >>use.'
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
> >
> > I notice both theft and copyright infringement are "actus reus" which,
> > according to your own source is: "the criminal act which, in combination
> > with the mens rea, produces criminal liability in common law based
criminal
> > law jurisdictions such as the United States, Australia, Canada and the
> > United Kingdom." I also note that in copyright infringement, "mens rea"
need
> > not be proven.
> >
> Yeah, did you notice that copyright infringement is not theft?
Your source said theft and copyright infringement were the same thing (see
preceeding paragraph).
> >
> >>Consider this as well: if copyright infringement were legally definable
> >>as theft, why don't the RIAA etc charge their victims with theft,
> >>instead of threatening to sue them for copyright infringement?
> >
> >
> > The RIAA does not have the authority to bring criminal charges.
> >
> They wouldn't need it - they could just report it to the police.
Thank you for at least acknowledging that the lack of RIAA charging their
"victims" with theft is not because copyright infringement is not legally
definable as theft as you had first asserted.
And the RIAA *has* reported it to "the police" at their discretion who have
prosecuted.
Paul Nixon
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