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Posted by anthonyberet on 12/03/05 17:11
Technomage Hawke wrote:
> anthonyberet wrote:
>
>
>>Fink Ployd wrote:
>>
>>>So how are these people getting caught? Do they have to download from you
>>>or you from them or are their ISP's turning them in? Any idea's?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>They just search for the files they want to protect, and get your Ip if
>>you are sharing them. Indications are that they don't download the files
>>to see if they really are what they say they are. Also, there has only
>>- to my knowledge- been one bust of a winmx user so far. This seems to
>>be because it is difficult to get good evidence about infringement from
>>winmx.
>
>
> its a little worse than that. they don't just accuse (by use of the word
> "alleged") they demand "cease and desist" (as though you were already
> guilty, even if all you shared was a list of files without actually being
> in possession of said files). My latest is with BayTSP. They sent a
> complaint to my isp (cox.net) stating I was in violation of copyright
> infringement laws, yet the only proof they provided was the name of the
> file, the username I used and the file size (all of which can be faked with
> lopster quite easily). had they actually downloaded like the first 2 MB of
> the file, then they would have had a case (assuming they could download a
> ghost file and actually get it to play). fact is, they did not. they laid
> that accusation out there and forced me to have to deal with my isp in
> order to get anything done.
>
Were you using winmx at the time? - and did you really have the file?
(don't answer the second question if you don't feel like it).
My info above was gleaned from reading court transcripts and complaints
such as in this list :
These are referred to in peer to peer ("p2p") file sharing actions
brought by
the RIAA. Although some have referred to these cases as "music downloading"
cases, I find that terminology inaccurate. Based upon the cases I have
seen, the
RIAA does not know of any specific conduct by the defendant, or of any
specific
instances of copyright infringement. The complaint simply alleges that
the RIAA
'believes' the defendant has engaged in 'uploading, downloading, and/or
distributing', and attaches (1) a short list of songs which the RIAA has
itself
downloaded and (2) a long list of songs which were found in a shared files
folder on the internet, which is associated with an IP address that is
associated with the defendant. The complaints do not refer to any known
acts of
copying. Accordingly, I prefer to term the cases 'peer to peer file
sharing'
cases, since that is what they are, at most. /-R.B./
/_Atlantic v. Andersen (Oregon)_/
Answer and counterclaims. <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/andersen.pdf>
(Alternate link #1)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/atlantic_andersen_anscounterclaims.pdf>(Alternate
link #2) <http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/answer.cc.final1.pdf>
/__/
/_Atlantic v. Huggins (Brooklyn, NY)_/
Complaint. <http://codewarriorz.clawz.com/atlantic_huggins_complaint.pdf>
Shook Hardy Bacon /pro haec vice/ motion:
Miller declaration <http://codewarriorz.clawz.com/Miller_declaration.pdf>,
Notice of motion <http://codewarriorz.clawz.com/notice_of_motion.pdf>, and
Proposed order <http://codewarriorz.clawz.com/proposed_order.pdf>.
Opposing papers:
Affidavit in opposition
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/atlantic_huggins/affidavit_in_opposition_to_pro_hac_vice_motion.pdf>.
Exhibits to the opposition papers:
Exhibit A <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_A.pdf>
Exhibit B <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_B.pdf>
Exhibit C <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_C.pdf>
Exhibit D <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_D.pdf>
Exhibit E <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_E.pdf>
Exhibit F <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_F.pdf>
Exhibit G <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_G.pdf>
Exhibit H <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Exhibit_H.pdf>
Judge's Decision Granting /Pro Hac Vice/ Motion.
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/atlantic_huggins_order2admittingshookhardy.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/atlantic_huggins/atlantic_huggins_order2admittingshookhardy.pdf>
Letter to Magistrate Judge asking him to require RIAA to produce a
corporate
officer of plaintiffs, with settlement authority, to appear at settlement
conference.
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/atlantic_huggins/092105levy.pdf>
Letter to Judge Trager requesting dismissal of Complaint.
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/092805trager.pdf>
October 5, 2005, letter opposing request for conference
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/atlantic_huggins/atlantic_huggins_letteroppospremotconfmotdis.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/atlantic_huggins_letteroppospremotconfmotdis.pdf>(Alternate
link #2) <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/atlantichugginsopp.pdf>(Alternate
link #3)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/atlantic_huggins_letteroppospremotconfmotdis.pdf>(Alternate
link #4)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/atlantic_huggins_letteroppospremotconfmotdis.pdf>
October 6, 2005 letter of RIAA lawyers asking permission for Missouri
lawyer to
participate by phone & for RIAA representative not to appear at all
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/atlantichugginsopp2.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/atlantic_huggins_051006lettertomagisjudgelevy.pdf>(Alternate
link #2)
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/atlantic_huggins_051006lettertomagisjudgelevy.pdf>(Alternate
link #3)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/atlantic_huggins/atlantic_huggins_051006lettertomagisjudgelevy.pdf>
October 6, 2005, order of Magistrate Judge Robert M. Levy.
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/atlantic_huggins_100605_order.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/atlantic_huggins_100605_order.pdf>(Alternate
link #2)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com//legal/atlantic_huggins_100605_order.pdf>(Alternate
link #3)
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/atlantic_huggins_100605_order.pdf>(Alternate
link #4)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/atlantic_huggins_100605_order.pdf>
October 7, 2005, Docket Entry
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/atlantic_huggins_100705order.pdf>
/__/
/_BMG v. Conklin (/Pro se/ case in Houston, TX)_/
Motion
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppC.pdf>
Opposition
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppD.pdf>
Order
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppE.pdf>
/_BMG v. Doe (Canada) _/
Decision of Federal Court of Appeal <<br
/>http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/bmg_doecanada_decisionofFCA.pdf>
Deposition of Media Sentry President Gary Millin
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/bmg_doecanada_depositionmediasentrymillingary.txt>
/_BMG v. Does (E. D. Pa. CV 04-650)_/
First Order Denying Joinder (See Second Order Shown At This First Link)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/bmg_does/bmg_doesedpa04-650orderdenyingjoinder1.pdf>
Second Order Denying Joinder
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/bmg_does/bmg_doesedpa04-650orderdenyingjoinder2.pdf>
/_Capitol Records v. Foster (Oklahoma)_/
September 8, 2005, Decision
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/capitol_foster_050908decision.pdf>
October 5, 2005, Decision
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/capitol_foster_051005decision.pdf>
Answer and counterclaims
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/capitol_foster_answer&counterclaims.pdf>
RIAA Motion to Dismiss Counterclaims
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/capitol_foster_riaamotdiscounterclaims.pdf>
Defendant's response to Motion to Dismiss Counterclaims
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/capitol_foster_responsetomotdiscounterclaims.pdf>
/_Elektra v. Barker (New York, NY)_/
Complaint
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/elektra_barker_complaint.pdf>
Exhibit A
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/elektra_barker_complaintexA.pdf>
Exhibit B, part 1
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/elektra_barker_complaintexBpt1.pdf>
Exhibit B, part 2
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/elektra_barker_complaintexBpt2.pdf>
/__/
/_Elektra v. Does 1-9 (Closed)_/
Decision of Hon. Robert W. Sweet, September 8, 2004
<http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2005/10/elektra-v-does-september-8-2004.html>
/__/
/_Elektra v. Harless (Detroit, MI)_/
First Discovery Order
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/elektra_harless-discovorder1.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/elektra_harless-discovorder1.pdf>
//
/_Elektra v. Santangelo (White Plains, NY)_/
Complaint <http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/exAcomplaint.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAcomplaint.pdf>
Exhibit A of Complaint
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexAtocomplaint.pdf>
Exhibit B of Complaint, first part
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexBpart1.pdf>
Exhibit B of Complaint, cont'd <<br
/>http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexBpart2.pdf<br />>
Exhibit B of Complaint, cont'd)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexBpart3.pdf>
Transcript of May 6th court appearance
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/transcript050506.txt>
Notice of Motion to dismiss complaint
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/notmotdis.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/notmotdis.pdf>
Memorandum of Law in support of motion to dismiss complaint
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/memooflaw.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/memooflaw.pdf>
Affidavit of Morlan Ty Rogers in support of motion to dismiss complaint
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/rogersaff.pdf>
Exhibit A (Complaint)
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/exAcomplaint.pdf>
Exhibit A of Complaint
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexAtocomplaint.pdf>
Exhibit B of Complaint, first part
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexBpart1.pdf>
Exhibit B of Complaint, cont'd <<br
/>http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexBpart2.pdf<br />>
Exhibit B of Complaint, cont'd)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/elektra_santangelo/exAexBpart3.pdf>
Plaintiff's Memorandum of Law in opposition to motion to dismiss complaint
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/opposing_memorandum_of_law.pdf>
Reply Memorandum of Law in support of motion to dismiss complaint
<www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/reply_memo_of_law.pdf>
Revised Reply Memorandum of Law in support of motion to dismiss complaint
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/revreplymemo.pdf>
Letter of plaintiff's counsel requesting second oral argument and
permission to
submit additional papers
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/Jensen_ltr_8.22.05.pdf>
November 28, 2005, Order and Decision Denying Defendant's Motion to Dismiss
Complaint
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/elektra_santangelo_orderdecisdenymotdis.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/elektra_santangelo_orderdecisdenymotdis.pdf>
/_Foundation v. UPC Nederland (Netherlands, District Court of Utrecht)_/
Court's decision
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/foundation_upcnederland_decision050712.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/foundation_upcnederland_decision050712.pdf>
(Alternate link #2)
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/foundation_upcnederland_decision050712.pdf>
(Alternate link #3)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/foundation_upcnederland/foundation_upcnederland_decision050712.pdf>(Alternate
link #4)
<http://mediaeater.com/eff/foundation_upcnederland_decision050712.pdf>
Expert witness declaration
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/foundation_upcnederland_witnessdeclaration.doc>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/foundation_upcnederland_witnessdeclaration.doc>
(Alternate link #2)
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/foundation_upcnederland_witnessdeclaration.doc>
(Alternate link #3)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/foundation_upcnederland/foundation_upcnederland_witnessdeclaration.doc>(Alternate
link #4)
<http://mediaeater.com/eff/foundation_upcnederland_witnessdeclaration.doc>
/_Interscope v. Does (New York, NY)_/
Complaint.
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/Interscope_Records_Does_complaint.pdf>
(Alternate link) <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/Interscope
Records_Does_complaint.pdf>(Alternate link #2)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/interscope_does/Interscope%20Records_Does_complaint.pdf>(Alternate
link #3) <http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/
Interscoperecords_Does_complaint.pdf>
Notice of Motion
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/interscope_does_noticeofmotion.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/interscope_does_noticeofmotion.pdf>
Affidavit of Daniel A. Singer
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/interscope_does_dansingeraff.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/interscope_does_dansingeraff.pdf>
Memorandum of Law
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/interscope_does_memooflaw.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/interscope_does_memooflaw.pdf>
Exhibit A <http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/interscope_does-exA.pdf>
(Alternate link) <http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/interscope_does-exA.pdf>
Exhibit B <http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/interscope_does_exB.pdf>
(Alternate link) <http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/interscope_does_exB.pdf>
Memorandum of law in opposition
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawopposition.pdf>
Appendix A
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppA.pdf>
Appendix B
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppB.pdf>
Appendix C
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppC.pdf>
Appendix D
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppD.pdf>
Appendix E
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_memooflawoppositionAppE.pdf>
Order setting Scheduling Conference date
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/interscope_does_schedulingconforder.pdf>
_//_
_/Interscope v. Leadbetter (Seattle, WA)/_
Answer of Defendant to RIAA Complaint
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/interscope_leadbetter/interscope_leadbetter_answer.pdf>
/__/
/_Loud v. Does (New York, NY)_/
Complaint.
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/loud_does_complaint.pdf>
Jane Doe's Notice of Motion to Quash Subpoena
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/notice_of_motion_to_quash.pdf>
Affidavit of Morlan Ty Rogers in Support of Motion to Quash
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/Rogers_affidavit.pdf>
Exhibit A
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/loud_does/loud_does_exAmotquash.pdf>
Exhibit B
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/loud_does/loud_does_exBmotquash.pdf>
Jane Doe's Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion to Quash
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/memo_of_law.pdf>
Memorandum of law in opposition
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/loud_does/loud_does_memooflawoppsmotquash.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/loud_does_memooflawoppsmotquash.pdf>(Alternate
link
#2)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/loud_does_memooflawoppsmotquash.pdf>(Alternate
link #3) <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/loudquash.pdf>(Alternate link #4)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_memooflawoppsmotquash.pdf>
Appendix to Memorandum of law in opposition
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/loud_does/loud_does_opposmotquashappendix.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/loud_does_opposmotquashappendix.pdf>(Alternate
link
#2) <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/loudquashdix.pdf>(Alternate link #3)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/loud_does_opposmotquashappendix.pdf>(Alternate
link #4)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_opposmotquashappendix.pdf>
Jane Doe's Reply Memorandum of Law
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/loudreplymemo.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_reply_memo_of_law.pdf>(Alternate
link #2)
<http://www.geocities.com/codewarrior_wins/loud_does_reply_memo_of_law.pdf>(Alternate
link #3)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/loud_does/loud_does_reply_memo_of_law.pdf>
Judge's "Memo Endorsed" Order (Handwritten order written on face of moving
papers) dated October 12, 2005
<http://p2pnet.net/stuff/loud_does_handwrittenoct12order.pdf>
Notice of Appeal to U.S. Court of Appeals for Second Circuit
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/loud_does/loud_does_noticeofappealcorrected.pdf>
Appeal preargument statement
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_preargumentstatement.pdf>
Affidavit of Ray Beckerman in support of motion for stay
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_affidavitmotforstay.pdf>
Motion information statement in support of motion for stay
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_motioninformationstatement.pdf>
Plaintiffs' Response (not yet posted; plaintiff's counsel declined to
furnish us
with *.pdf copy)
Order of Second Circuit Judge Robert D. Sack Granting Interim Stay of
Subpoena
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/loud_does_order(Sack).pdf>
Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion for Stay
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/loud_does_motstayreplymemo.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_motstayreplymemo.pdf>(Alternate
link #2) <http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/loud_does_motstayreplymemo.pdf>
November 23, 2005, Order of 3-Judge Panel dismissing appeal for lack of
jurisdiction
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/loud_does_2dCirOrderdismissingappeal.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://digitalmusicnews.com/legal/loud_does_2dCirOrderdismissingappeal.pdf>
/_Maverick v. Goldshteyn (Brooklyn, NY)_/
November 15, 2005, Letter to Judge Trager
<http://mediaeater.com/eff/maverick_goldshteyn_051115lettertojudgetrager.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/maverick_goldshteyn_051115lettertojudgetrager.pdf>(Alternate
link #2)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/maverick_goldshteyn_051115lettertojudgetrager.pdf>
NOvember 21, 2005, response by RIAA
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/maverick_goldshteyn_051121jensenresponse.pdf>
/__/
/_Motown v. Nelson (Detroit, MI)_/
Computer Protective Order
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/motown_nelsoncomputerprotectiveorder1.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/motown_nelsoncomputerprotectiveorder1.pdf>
Defendant's Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion to Strike Testimony of
Teenager
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/motown_nelson_responsemotstrikestmt.pdf>
(Alternate link)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/motown_nelson_responsemotstrikestmt.pdf>
_//_
_/Priority v. Chan (Detroit, MI)(Closed)/_
Order accepting dismissal with prejudice and declining to award
attorneys fees
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/chan1.pdf>
(Alternate link) <http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/chan_order_1.pdf>
Order refusing to reopen case and holding that plaintiff must get
guardian ad
litem appointed in order to sue 13-year old child
<http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/chan2.pdf>
(Alternate link) <http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/chan_order_2.pdf>
/_Priority v. Chan II (Detroit, MI)_/
Complaint
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/priority_chan2_complaint.pdf>
Motion for appointment of guardian ad litem
<http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Chan_motguardadlitem.pdf>
(Alternate link) <http://www.p2pnet.net/stuff/chan3.pdf> (Alternate link
#2)
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/priority_chan2_motforguardianadlitem.pdf>
(Alternate link #3)
<http://riaalawsuits.shannera.de/priority_chan/priority_chan2_motforguardianadlitem.pdf>(Alternate
link #4)
<http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/legal/priority_chan2_motforguardianadlitem.pdf>(Alternate
link #5)
<http://codewarriorz.clawz.com/priority_chan2_motforguardianadlitem.pdf>
/__/
/_SONY v. Does (New York, NY) SDNY 04cv473(Closed)_/
Amicus Brief submitted by EFF, ACLU, and Public Citizen
<http://www.lifeofalawyer.com/riaa/sony_does_amicusbrief.pdf>
_//_
_/SONY v. Scimeca (Newark, NJ) (Closed)/_
Counterclaim
<http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/RIAA_v_ThePeople/Sony_v_Scimeca/20040204_counterclaim.php>
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