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Posted by CQ on 10/07/31 11:36
In article <1h8nogd.1f40ylcrq1q4hN%real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-
juice.co.uk>, real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-juice.co.uk says...
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> Everytime you insist you are
> about this you paint yourself more firmly into the corner marked "dork".
> All you need to do is concede that one little point, and everyone else
> will have a chance to see that you don't in fact belong there.
>
> Conceding that it is perfectly normal usage to say that "never having
> lived with something" simply means that it has never been a part of
> one's daily life won't mean a loss of face for you. It won't mean
> backing down to a humiliating defeat. No one will think less of you for
> it.
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Oh my. Nothing like pulling out all the manipulative stops, eh?
> "I've never lived with pain" doesn't mean I've never suffered pain, just
> that it hasn't been part of my daily life.
Apples and Oranges. Or perhaps an intentional straw-man. The original
statement was more parallel to "I've lived without pain my entire
life"....which certainly does imply a lack of experiencing pain.
> "I've never lived with violence and abuse" doesn't mean I've never
> suffered violence or abuse, just that it hasn't been part of my daily
> life.
Apples and Oranges. Or perhaps an intentional straw-man. The original
statement was more parallel to "I've lived without violence or abuse my
entire life" ...which most certainly does imply never experiencing
either.
> "I've never lived with fear" doesn't mean I've never been afraid, just
> that it hasn't been part of my daily life.
Apples and Oranges. Or perhaps an intentional straw-man. The original
statement was more parallel to "I've lived without fear my entire life"
.... which most certainly does imply a life that hasn't experienced fear.
> "I've never lived with Windows" doesn't mean that I've never used it,
> just that it hasn't been part of my daily life.
Apples and Oranges. Or perhaps an intentional straw-man. She *never
said* anything like "I've never lived with Windows".
Have you peeked back to the original wording and context of her use of
the phrase? Perhaps you should. Here:
> Show me something /equally useful/ to Windows. Sure, MacOS and
> Linux have their advantages, but living without Windows just
> isn't practical.
I've lived without Microsoft Windows my entire life.
It looks to me as if the poster she responded to was conceding that there
were times when each OS might be more useful to a person. He was also
stating that "living without" something, as in *never* using it, was
impractical. To this she replied she had indeed lived without it...for
her *entire* life.
Not her life at home.
Not her non-working days.
Not her time off.
Not her time on-line.
No, in fact her *entire* life.
The very fact that Michelle has backpedaled from her original statement
of living without it for her entire life, not just part of her life but
her *entire* life (you might look that one word up) and now says she has
used it for some work projects seems to add more veracity to the original
statement that "living without Windows just isn't practical".
You can feel free to back down from this point at any time and I'm sure
nobody will feel any less respect for you, consider you less of a dork,
nor will they consider you any less of a manipulative individual.
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CQ
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