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Posted by Ty Ford on 02/13/06 14:41
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:10:04 -0500, Toby wrote
(in article <43efdc13$0$69626$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>):
>
> "Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:QLKdnSMS0OaGwnLeRVn-qg@comcast.com...
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:42:02 -0500, Toby wrote
>> (in article <43ef3ad8$0$41511$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>):
>>
>>>
>>> "Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:grGdnVi8Wu8qn3PenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:04:04 -0500, Toby wrote
>>>> (in article <43edee8b$0$69614$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>):
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:19tE0xMyRL7DFw6j@movingvision.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>> In message <11up6l9boh80aff@corp.supernews.com>, Richard Crowley
>>>>>> <rcrowley@xpr7t.net> writes
>>>>>>> <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote ...
>>>>>>>> Been making programmes for TV and all sorts for over twenty years
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I've found the short shotgun Sennheiser such as the 416, K3 ME80 and
>>>>>>>> K6
>>>>>>>> ME88 to be the most useful and broad spectrum mics ever used. Never
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> a problem using them indoors or any other environment, even for the
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> quality demanding broadcasters and quite frankly I quickly learned
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> to invest my professional integrity in what they might say over at
>>>>>>>> r.a.m.p.s. Their World is far from definitive!!
>>>>>>>> -- John Lubran
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, Mr. Lubran, we all respect you. It should make no
>>>>>>> difference that the r.a.m.p.s people are listed in IMDB
>>>>>>> as credited with hundreds of high-profile productions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever Richard, whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been doing this for 20 years, and the ME-80s and 416s have always
>>>>> worked just fine. Maybe not the best of all possible worlds, but
>>>>> they've
>>>>> never let me down--it's always been good enough for TV, even some
>>>>> fairly
>>>>> high-class docos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Toby
>>>>
>>>> For interiors?
>>>
>>> Inside and outside. Again, I stress that we are generally looking for
>>> intelligibility, not world-class feature-film sound. There is often no
>>> time
>>> to switch between mics when following a subject during her/his daily
>>> routine. We go with a general-purpose mic, and the 416 is usually what we
>>> use, although we used to go with the ME-80 + K3U power supply when the
>>> cameras didn't have phantom powering.
>>>
>>> That has been the case with every network for whom I have worked --CNN,
>>> CBS,
>>> NBC, ABC, Reuters, BBC, ARD, ZDF, et al. Nobody bothers with
>>> hypercardioids
>>> in the conditions we work under.
>>>
>>> Toby
>>
>> Oh! News. That's different. That's not what we're talking about. News is
>> run
>> n gun survival mode. When you aren't jammed by your news situation and
>> actually have time to set up properly, a hypercardioid for interiors (and
>> by
>> interiors I'm talking about office and residential spaces) a hyper is an
>> audibly obvious winner.
>>
>> Regards,
>
> This could be so, however I just finished some work for a very high-budget
> doco-drama where all the interior interviews were miked with a 416. The crew
> that came from Germany were loaded with equipment, but nobody thought it
> necessary to pack along a hypercard. I'm also a musician, and I admit that I
> prefer recording on a Neumann U87 to a Shure SM-58, and I don't think there
> is any question that the 87 sounds better, but that doesn't mean that the 58
> won't give decent results, especially on a low budget.
>
> Toby
>
>
Hey Toby,
A Schoeps hyper (cmc641) is about the same price as a 416, so the U 87 vs.
SM58 anecdote doesn't really fit.
"Nobody thought it necessary" could have been the producer's choice. Just
because they're a crew from Germany doesn't mean they know a lot about mics.
There are uninformed people in this business everywhere.
It's not unusual for me to get questions like "Is that as good as a shotgun",
couched in ways that I know really mean, "Why aren't you using a shotgun?"
Or, "Shouldn't you use a Lav?" Well, no I shouldn't.
Stay uninformed if you like, but do yourself a favor and try a Schoeps
cmc641. You'll hear the difference between it and a 416.
Regards,
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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