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Posted by NunYa Bidness on 10/04/04 11:31
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:15:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) Gave
us:
>In article <icqtm1pt9haq7nmjs56g5lrmer2tdo1oj9@4ax.com>,
>NunYa Bidness <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 19:09:06 -0800, Randy
>><no_spam_please@my_address.com> Gave us:
>>
>>>On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:18:06 -0500, "pezoids" <pezoids@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Most people are slaves to the industry and will submit to whatever new
>>>>format emerges next.
>>>>
>>>>I see dvds going strong until a cheaper and more pewerful version of video
>>>>I-pod emerges. One that can hold terabytes of data and can still fit in your
>>>>pocket and can be plugged into any TV or PC. Something that can easily hold
>>>>every movie and every cd you own with room to spare and easy to uprade.
>>>>
>>>>Until then, I'm a dvd man...
>>>
>>>
>>>This thread got kinda out of control.
>>
>> As if a Usenet poster could judge such a thing.
>>
>>>I still want highest quality possible.
>>
>> No shit.
>>
>>> From what I understand Ipod is
>>>a lossy format, which I hope the public will drop.
>>
>> There is a lot of lossy conversion taking place. The fault of Ipod
>>is that they want a subscription fee.
>>
>>> And who wants to
>>>watch anything on less than 52" screen?
>>
>> A bit biased.
>>
>>> But you know how marketing
>>>plays into this...
>>
>> You are about to make an opinion... I can smell it.
>>
>>> Betamax was better than VHS, but look what
>>>happened.
>>
>> VHS was better as it relates to price/value/performance.
>>The high price of Sony's crap is what caused it to fail. It is really
>>that simple. Price point is everything.
>>
>>> I think this boils down too is "education" ,
>>
>> Better get started then.
>>
>>> we must help
>>>educate the world so they don't fall into the VHS trap.
>
>> You're an idiot. VHS was not a trap. It was an affordable form
>>factor. Beta was a high priced, if not even overtly overpriced pile.
>>Had Sony set the price point right, they would have won the battle.
>
>Prices for VHS were only about $100 less than Beta and when you
>talk at $1000+ that is not a big difference.
The tapes were twice the price... blank, much less with content.
> My SL7200 Beta cost
>me $1495. The VHS units - then just coming on the market as Beta
>had over 95% share - were at least $1295. Then the prices started
>falling, but the Beta equipment was built better, and the Faroudja
>circuits in the better Betas made them the choice if you wanted
>great video.
>
>However a vast majority of people didn't know what great video
A lot did.
>looked like and used RF connections - while most of the Beta people
>used composite.
And extremely expensive monitors as well. Curtis Mathis and Sony
were among the few that had composite inputs.
>
>I got my Beta in March of 1977.
>
>>>I can hardly wait for HD DVD, and willing to pay for it.
>
>> Oh boy, you're right up on the video realm.
>
>>>Don't buy CRAP, and they won't sell it.
>
>> No shit. Consumers have always driven the market and survival of a
>>given product. Look at the example above to see proof.
>
>> Don't spew crap, and we won't pick it apart.
>
>And through the course of 'home entertainment' each new version
>lasted about 1 generation - as many people didn't want to change.
Lately it is more technology based. Back then there was but a
handful of consumer goods. Stereos, TVs CBs, two meter... not a
whole lot else. When CCDs came into being, they were also expensive
for most average joe consumers.
>That has not held true as much now - but the revolutionary products
>almost always had a bigger impact than the evolutionary productcs.
The electronics industry as a whole has made huge advances since
then. Things mutate and advance much quicker than in the past.
>The first phongraphs were accoustic and windup. In the late 1920's
>electric recording and players - running at 78 RPM became popular.
>
>And 25 years later the LP and 45 came in replacing the 78s. Those
>was first introduced in 1949.
The reason was mainly advances in plastics technology. Softer vinyl
sounds better, and can be slowed down, yet still contain much audio
BW. We couldn't slow down the harder mediums.
>Philips made a dictating machine using a small cassette that became
>the main music medium replacing the 45's and LPs - something that
>4-track and 8-track never did.
The reason that 8-track died is due to the fact that it is a flawed
mechanism. Tapes stretch, break, get caught, etc. Bad for the
audiophile.
>By the 1980s CDs came out - and the compact size and the novlety of
>shiny silver disks made them take off like nothing ever had before.
They took off because of size and audio quality. They were so good
that they even revealed flaws and noise in the audio masters used in
the studios for making the vinyl pressings.
>When DVD came out in about 3 years everyone saw how much better it
>was to be able to skip to chapters, take something out and put it
>back without rewinding, etc.
Laser disc was around for at least a decade before DVD ushered in.
Once it did, it took less than 3 years for mass acceptance.
>Each of those were revolutionary. The SACD was evolutionary and
>never really took off.
Cost. of manufacture... and ownership. CD audio is already at the
max price. Nobody wants to pay even more for a small gain in dynamic
range. Priced the same or less than regular CD's, and they would have
taken off.
> The HD and Blu-Ray are evolutionary so
>there won't be the great rush among the average users to go
>to those.
If the difference is a lot more than current DVD quality, it will due
to the fact that monitors got better, and were embraced.
> I say that based on looking at the history of home
>entertainment for the past 100 years.
Yet, the industry has learned some important lessons in the past ten
years. Look how quick movies go to DVD now. Look how the TV series
DVD releases have taken hold, albeit slightly overpriced.
>If the often predicted 'movie on a chip' or 'cube' something so
>small that you could carry several in your shirt pocket [for those
>who have shirts with pockets] that would be revolutionary and
>would gain widespread adoption.
There are millions of laptop hard drives out there in the "last
year's goods" market. Someone should make a "player" that has a port
for switching them out. Then, we could put whatever media we wanted on
them, from books to films, and collect a library of scratch free, high
reliability temporary storage devices. That would fit on my shelf
nicely.
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