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Posted by Mike Kujbida on 10/01/80 11:45
No offence taken Steve.
I think I see where the misunderstanding is though.
Unlike the PD150 or the DVX 100, I don't put my JVC 550s in a prosumer
category. We have full CCUs for these things as well as Camplex units
(worth every penny!!).
Everything you said about prosumer cameras is right on the money and is the
main reason I really don't like working with them unless I have to.
Call me a techo snob if you like but that's my 5¢ (Canadian) worth.
Give me a good camera, a real CCU and a WFM/VM combo any day :-)
Mike
Steve Guidry wrote:
> Mike,
>
> No offense intended. I'm genuinely glad that you're having such good
> luck with your cameras matching. And like you, I'm less than
> impressed with 150's and 170's.
>
> But after almost as many years (22 for me) - - mostly as an EIC
> and/or camera shader on trucks, but with some recently with pro-sumer
> cameras like the ones you mention - - my experience couldn't be
> more different. I'd disagree almost in a blanket way with your
> statement that "white balanced identical make cameras should always
> match" for pro-sumer automatic cameras. The main problem is that
> you can't get to all the adjustments that you need to get to. The
> Panasonic 100 may be the exception, BUT the controls are all buried
> in menus so it's difficult, if not impossible to see the changes
> you're making in anything close to real time. And don't even get me
> started on the lack of controls for overall detail and skin tone
> detail.
>
> Specifically : when matching different brands of cameras, I'm struck
> by the differences in the way low-end cameras handle color.
> Different color matrices, varying gamma curves, and the plain ol'
> subjective setup of what white "should" look like on a vectorscope
> all conspire to make the job difficult. Add in the different ways
> the various brands treat exposure - - different peak vs. averaging
> iris setups, the different points at which the cameras choose to
> boost the gain, and ways each one "tracks" the black balance
> throughout the boost stages - - all these factors just make me want
> to scream.
>
> Maybe I'm being too picky. But that's my take on it.
>
> More later, if there's interest . . .
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfamNoSpam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
> news:4anrldFs9l3iU1@individual.net...
>>
>> Steve Guidry wrote:
>>> It's naive to think that you can cut together any two different
>>> brands of prosumer cameras and expect to NOT have to do color
>>> correction. There's just too many variables.
>>
>> After 30+ years in the video industry, I'm not being naive. After
>> being very pleased with how close the DVX 100 was to my JVC, I just
>> didn't think I'd have to do as much colour and level correction as I
>> did. Plainly put, the PD150 sucked :-(
>>
>>
>>> It's hard enough to
>>> cut together two identical make cameras with no correction !
>>> While I'm sure that there will be a number of folks who will chime
>>> in with some version of "we do it all the time". That's well and
>>> good for them. But the truth of the matter is that it's a crapshoot.
>>> Maybe you'll come up 7's. But it's just as likely that you'll crap
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>> I'm one of those who "does it all the time". Two (or more) properly
>> set up and white balanced identcial make cameras should always
>> match. If they didn't, I'd be looking for a new TD and, since
>> that's me, I guess I'd be out of a job :-)
>>
>> Mike
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