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Posted by Jay G. on 06/13/06 23:11
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:27:48 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 05:42:01 -0500, "Jay G." <Jay@tmbg.org> Gave us:
>>
>>I'm not even sure what your point is. The i80186 was also used in PCs,
>
> No, it wasn't They (IBM) went straight from the XT and AT PC to the
> i80286. There were no i80186 PCs out there. Any you find were and
> are a fluke.
*Ahem*
http://www.sothius.com/hypertxt/welcome.html?siemenspcd.html
And from a link you supplied:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80186
"They were not used in many personal computers, but there were some
notable exceptions: the Mindset, the Siemens PC-D (the first DOS PC
line of Siemens, with MSDOS v2.11), the Compis (a Swedish school
computer), the RM Nimbus (a British school computer), the Unisys ICON (a
Canadian school computer), the HP 200lx, the Tandy 2000 desktop (a
somewhat PC-compatible workstation featuring particularly sharp graphics
for its day) and the Philips :YES. Acorn (another British computer
manufacturer) also created a plugin Second Processor that contained the
80186 chip along with assorted support chips and 512k of RAM - hence the
Master 512 system.
>> soit was a PC chip in addition to whatever other uses it had.
>
> The point is that it was to be a PC chip. That never happened,
Except in the 8 or so PCs that were listed in the link you provided.
> Intel sold it as a microcontroller for industry so as not to lose out
> on the investment.
So, not on consumer devices.
> You really know very little about a LOT
> of things, and you run to google every time you get in an argument,
> then come back here spouting links as if YOU are some kind of
> knowledgeable person.
Wheras you say thinks like DVD-R and DVD+R have "two different purposes,"
that there are "tons" of hybrid HD-DVD/DVD discs at a local store when at
the time there was only *one* on the market, or saying that the i80186 was
"never" used in PCs when a link *you* provide lists over 8 of them it was
used in.
>> Also, HD DVD
>>players, in addition to having a Pentium 4 PC chip, a mobile PC chipset,
>>and PC RAM, also has several PC i/o devices, like the IDE HD DVD drive and
>>USB flash disk.
>
> Don't forget the LAN port and the externally accessible USB ports.
> All I have to do is plug in a USB wireless stick, and I don't even
> need the hard wired ethernet port at that point.
>
>> So if you're trying to argue that something without PC i/o
>>isn't a PC, good job it's just a shame HD DVD doesn't meet that definition.
>
> The funny thing is that it in now way shape or form functions like a
> PC.
Oh, so it must *function* like a PC to be one. There are plenty of people
who make HTPCs that run solely on remotes. The Toshiba still boots up to a
disk, runs a PC OS, and *then* starts pretending it's a consumer device.
> The remote is NOT a keyboard...
Oh, this is so sad. You've been reduced to "it's not a PC if it doesn't
have a keyboard," which flies in the face of even your own statements.
You've claimed that cell phones can be PCs, even though cell phones don't
have keyboards.
> The update process is entirely managed in the background so it has
> no resemblance to a PC either.
upgrades can run in the background on a PC, what planet are you from?
>>>>From what I can find, they weren't called "PCs" because they were called
>>>>other types of computers, like servers:
>>>
>>> You're an idiot.
>>
>>You forgot the link:
>>http://temperature.tu-plovdiv.bg/publications/CS05_kakanakov_spasov.pdf
>> The experiment is made on the IPC@Chip from Beck as a target system
>> (server).
>> Its core is an I80186 microprocessor with 512MB RAM and 512MB Flash
>> drive.
>
> How many thousands did they manufacture or sell?
I'm not privy to that information. If you are, then provide it. If you're
not, then don't make claims of small sales if you can't back it up.
While I can't cite number of sales, I can cite other points of interest:
http://a1989.g.akamai.net/f/1989/7101/1d/www3.festo.com/__C1256D56002E7B89.nsf/html/BD_IPC_recipe_book_en_150.pdf/$FILE/BD_IPC_recipe_book_en_150.pdf
"For almost two decades now, Beck IPC GmbH, a subsidiary of Festo AG &
Co, has been developing industrial control technology based on PC
technology."
"Rittal is one of the world's largest manufacturers of control cabinets.
Many control cabinets are used in computer centres, where monitoring the
availability of the computer systems is a matter of crucial importance.
This is why Rittal has had the CMC developed (short for Computer
Monitor Control), which incorporates a control cabinet monitoring
facility.
The centrepiece of the CMC is the IPC@CHIP"
>>It's odd that when I google for 'i80186 "motor controllers"', nothing comes
>>up. Likewise with 'i80186 "industrial process controls"'. Yet, when I
>>google for 'i80186 server," several hundred hits come up.
>
> Since it is nowhere close to being the king in industrial
> microcontrollers anymore, I'd say that it not even in use. There are
> several that beat it out. Take the Pentium 4 mobile CPU, for
> instance.
So, no consumer products.
> In the days before the ARM CPU and a wide array of other
> microcontrollers, the i80186 was used in thousands of products by the
> industry, and no, I am not talking about consumer products, you
> fucking retard.
Well, if you're not talking about consumer products, what's the point?
Nobody was arguing that a Toshiba made industrial microcontroller was a PC.
People were arguing that the Toshiba HD DVD players, consumer devices, were
basically PCs internally, something you don't even dispute. And only you
were arguing about whether or not the Toshiba HD DVD players are literally
PCs.
Which is why, when you called the Toshiba "PC-like," you had already lost.
That's because that's all your opposition was saying, that it's PC parts in
a box.
-Jay
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