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Posted by Krazy Kanuck on 06/18/06 19:54
Hi....I just saw some of these more recent responses to this....
I'm the original poster BTW....
I did the job, I used only about 8hrs. total of my time with shooting and
editing.
They took the option I'd offered with me doing all the DVD duplication....
They sold more copies than what they or I had anticipated.
They were very happy with the result and stated that it was better than what
I had done for them the last time....
I'm happy, and the client is happy!
Thanks for all the input and I'm taking a lot of what I've heard to heart
and I appreciate some of the concerns brought up, so I'll be charging more
in future for sure.....I suppose I was lucky this time that I didn't have
any unexpected problems.....(well actually, my second/backup camera had a
tape get stuck for the second half of the performance, but I had just fine
footage with my one main camcorder anyway....whew)
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"doc" <doc@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:6C6lg.200$VF.115@trndny03...
> AMEN! this is soooooooo true. they don't want cheap video, they only
> want cheap price and that oxymoron will drive ya in the hole or at least
> develop enough bad publicity that you'll get a bunch of jobs for a while .
> . then no one will take your work regardless of how good it is. our day
> rate would be a minumum for a job like this PLUS output costs (per dvd)
> and that day rate is twice the number your talking and that is for TAPING
> ONLY, now add editing and output (although the latter is low cost for us
> because of avid's all in one solution)
>
> i agree on 1,000+ for this job and best focused at around $2,000 + output.
> if they say it's too high, i say, we do what we do because we do what we
> do, if you want a television production quality output, then you have to
> use someone who does tv production, that's us. if you want something
> less, then you have to look elsewhere because we only know how to do one
> thing, "the best that we can do" AND we do do television production, every
> week! if that's what you want, you will have to pay for it and the price
> is cheap compared to what our network pays us to do the same thing.
>
> drd
>
> "Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovethis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:th81g.62$Ga.28@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> I don't need a site check as I only do jobs with acceptable sound and
>>> lighting....I would be doing the final setup and what would be construed
>> as
>>> a site check at the rehearsal and, yes this is about 2 hrs. time.
>>
>> That would be a treat . . .
>>
>>
>>> Just me with 2 close cameras...one stationary at a long shot to include
>>> everything and one to be zooming/panning....only me doing everything....
>>
>> OK . . . well there you go . . .
>>
>> Nearly everyone advocating a higher price is figuring that the client
>> deserves and is expecting better than that. And my guess is that - -
>> despite his assertion that he "wants it cheap" - - this approach will
>> leave
>> him less than thrilled in the long run. I remember one where the I gave
>> the
>> client what he was asking for - - like you're trying to do - - and after
>> he
>> saw the end result, boy did he change his tune ! All of a sudden there
>> were
>> all kinds of problems : the lighting was crap. The sound was mixed
>> wrong.
>> The video was fuzzy. The shot framing was not to his liking. It became
>> real clear that what he was really wanting was a network quality show on
>> the
>> cheap. When I mentioned this, he started in again - - "No, no, no - - I
>> realize that we're not paying for a network production, but . . ." And
>> then
>> he started in again on all the problems.
>>
>> The moral for me was to begin refusing work that couldn't meet the goals
>> of
>> the client on the budget he had. Because no matter how much he says
>> otherwise, most clients - - despite their protestations - - realld don't
>> want a "cheap" video.
>>
>>
>>> Give me a break here....This isn't a music video....Yes they want pretty
>>> much minimal editing with each performance almost intact....I might be
>>> cutting between cameras a few times but they've expressly asked for a
>>> WYSIWYG product....That's why my price is so low....I'm factoring about
>> 8hr.
>>> capture and editing...
>>
>> I'd be interested to see if that estimate is accurate. I have a hard
>> time
>> doing anything in only 8 hours. But you know your setup, and thehave the
>> vision for the finished product.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes the above is true to a point....I'm not a guy with a camcorder and
>>> editing program who wants to do it for a living....I'm a serious
>>> hobbyist
>>> who does a bit as a sideline. I know what I'm doing for small
>>> productions
>>> that I know I can handle....I don't try to take on something more.
>>> I'm not destroying any business.....These guys wouldn't have it done at
>> all
>>> at anywhere near the prices you guys are throwing out....Perhaps I
>>> didn't
>>> explain the miniscule size of the non-profit organization that puts
>>> this
>>> show on each year....It's all volunteer labour exept for the location
>>> rental, sound and lighing, and the videographer....I think the
>> photographer
>>> does it for a token fee too....(Last time he emailed me what he picked
>>> as
>>> the top 20 photos to be included in the video as well)
>>> Anyway, it looks like I'm doing the job next weekend and I'm sure it
>>> will
>> go
>>
>>
>> Best of luck to you on the project. Most of us have done projects like
>> this
>> over the years, and occasionally they've come back to bite us. That's
>> why
>> the advice you're getting is so slanted and biased away from projects
>> like
>> this. Here's another reason : Churches and non-profits exist - - by
>> definition, almost - - by getting people to GIVE them things : time,
>> money, services. More than once, I've had my arm twisted by a church to
>> "do
>> it for the Lord", or because "It's for a good cause". This doesn't
>> sit
>> well with many of us who're trying to knock out a living doing this
>> stuff.
>> My response now is something along the lines of " If God is in it,
>> He'll
>> fund it." Or, "If I did every "good cause" project that came in the
>> door, my kids would starve."
>>
>> Let us know how it went.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Guidry
>> Video Works, Inc.
>> Live events for TV and Video
>> www.videoworksinc.com
>> 800.844.4404
>>
>>
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