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Posted by Toby on 07/04/06 04:49
"PTravel" <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote in message
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> "Toby" <kymarto123@ybb.ne.jpp> wrote in message
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>>>>> "Bill Farnsworth" <bill.farnsworth@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> PTravel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sodium vapor lights are the common night time illumination in most
>>>>>>>> cities in the world, and put out a distinctive yellow light.
>>>>>>>> Because they work by exciting sodium atoms, the light output is a
>>>>>>>> very narrow spectrum, i.e. it's not just a question of being warmer
>>>>>>>> or cooler -- there simply are no other bandwidths present.
>>>>>>>> Naturally this results in anything being videotaped as appear,
>>>>>>>> essentially, monochromatic (for an example, see here:
>>>>>>>> http://www.travelersvideo.com/amsterdam%20at%20night.wmv)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any way around this to get, if not a more accurate color
>>>>>>>> rendition, at least a more interesting one? Short of bringing my
>>>>>>>> own lights, which is not feasible at all, I can't think of anything
>>>>>>>> that will add spectra that simply aren't there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice stuff Paul.
>>>>>> There really isn't much you can do with limited resources other than
>>>>>> some correction in post. (bringing a chip chart and shoot that under
>>>>>> the light for reference can help later in post)
>>>>>> However............
>>>>>> Get yourself a rosco cinegel color correction sample set. (1 1/4" x
>>>>>> 3")
>>>>>> Then you can experiment with white balance through different
>>>>>> correction filters.
>>>>>> Or add it as correction filtration
>>>>>> I'm thinking that something in the Tough Plusgreen family and Tough
>>>>>> WF green either added at the lens or subtracted through white balance
>>>>>> might bring you a wee bit closer to what you are looking for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill F.
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>>>>> Thanks, Bill!
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>>>> Well Paul, for what it's worth, both my wife and I really
>>>> like your clip as it is. We both think that changing the
>>>> color balance (or altering it) would spoil the effect.
>>>> Our $0.02 ...
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>>>> mikey
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>>> Thanks. I'm probably an example of "Amateurs Gone Wild." My audience
>>> is limited to my wife, my in-laws in China, whatever friends I can
>>> coerce into watching my videos, and whatever poor soul happens to
>>> stumble onto my website. My primary goal in doing these videos is just
>>> to create a remembrance of our travels and, hey, that is what it looked
>>> like. ;)
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>> May I suggest that you think about more varied framings? I liked your
>> clip but found that one medium shot after another was not very exciting.
>> Think about closeups, tele shots, extreme angles, big foreground objects,
>> etc. to intercut with the more useful vanilla stuff.
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>> Toby
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> I appreciate the suggestion. I've found that my composition starts more
> interesting early on in a trip and I simply get tired (and the video gets
> boring) towards the end. The Amsterdam video was at the very end of the
> trip. I may be heading to China in a few weeks. If I do, I'll try your
> suggestions.
In documentary work and features we usually use a wide shot or pan as an
establishing shot in new locations, to give an overall picture of where we
are, followed by the interesting stuff that we want to focus on and which
tells the story. Personally I always shoot a nicely framed wide, then I stop
to look around at what catches my eye and try to find ways to frame those
elements, paying attention to trying to get different sizes (tight, medium
and wide). Moves are fine too, used judiciously, and never in the same
direction one after the other.
A general rule of thumb is also not to edit similar framings or sizes one
after another. Of course you have a lot more leeway if you are just putting
pretty shots to music, but the general rules of what is nice and interesting
to watch still apply. Think about the way you observe things. You first look
at the whole scene, and then you tend to concentrate on specifics in the
scene, sometimes pulling back to have a look at the whole picture again in
search of other things that are visually interesting or important. Let your
editing generally mimic how you see and you can't go wrong.
Toby
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