|  | Posted by PTravel on 07/05/06 18:57 
"Toby" <zdftokyo@gool.com> wrote in message news:44ab7770$0$60361$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
 > >
 > You do definitely need a level. It's very difficult to eyeball it through
 > a viewfinder or on that small screen. If you have a tripod head that can
 > be leveled then I would suggest getting a small circular bull's-eye level
 > and finding a place to mount it on the head. If not, it sounds like you
 > will have to mount it on the camera shoe. In that case, as I mentioned,
 > you don't want a circular level, you want a tube level, since you only
 > want to true the horizon, not the tilt. Check this out:
 >
 > http://www.adorama.com/TPBLS.html
 >
 > You probably couldn't make one for much less than that.
 
 Fantastic, thanks!  I just ordered one.
 
 
 >
 > One thing to keep in mind is that if you level the camera instead of the
 > head, you are not necessarily going to get level pans (in fact if would be
 > a huge surprise if you did). Leveling the camera will work for pans only
 > if the camera is exactly parallel to the plane of rotation of the head.
 
 Good point.  I'll still look around for a stick-on level for the head (or,
 perhaps, I'll just through a small one in my backpack and level the sticks
 before I put the camera on.
 
 >
 > I'm not familiar with your tripod and head, but if it has a ball and cup
 > arrangement for leveling with only pan and tilt axes, then it would work,
 > since the horizontal relationship between camera and head is invariant,
 > but if you have the normal kind of photo head with three axes, where the
 > head is on an elevator and the angle in relation to the legs is fixed,
 > then it won't work.
 
 It's a Bogen 3160 fluid head, which only has two axes, on a set of Manfrotto
 3444D carbon sticks.  I'll have to manage leveling by moving the legs
 around.
 
 > Obviously you can set up fixed shots by checking the level, but as you
 > turn the camera that changes unless by chance your tripod is exactly
 > level. But I notice that for the stuff that you shoot you aren't doing
 > many pans, so a little level like the one I mentioned would do you a world
 > of good. I guarantee you that after a little while, when you can just
 > level the camera and frame the shot without having to try to eyeball it,
 > you will wonder how you ever lived without it.
 
 For my none "At Night" videos, I shoot almost entirely hand-held.  I've
 finally worked out a technique that gets me sufficiently non-shakey shots,
 as well as reasonably level ones, but it took me, literally, years.  I can't
 wait to try that level, though -- thanks for the suggestion.
 
 
 >
 > Toby
 >
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