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Posted by Bob Ford on 07/23/06 04:18
On 22 Jul 2006 19:49:30 -0700, riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
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>Bob Ford wrote:
>> On 22 Jul 2006 16:56:30 -0700, riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
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>> >
>> >Bob Ford wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:28:36 GMT, Bill Fright
>> >> <billfright@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> Bob Ford wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>On 21 Jul 2006 22:36:12 -0700, riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>William Davis wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>In article <1153493202.410834.326570@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >>>>> riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Ty Ford wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:31:52 -0400, riclanders@gmail.com wrote
>> >> >>>>>>>(in article <1153485112.655687.178680@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>riclanders@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm hearing the Senneiser 300 is a great mike except for its delicate
>> >> >>>>>>>>>cable which is prone to go bad if stretched.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Is there a similar quality mike with a more durable cable for under
>> >> >>>>>>>>>$200?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>ric
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>May be able to answer my own question here. The Rode video mic at $149.
>> >> >>>>>>>>seems to be a much better deal and the RODE NT3-HYPER CARDIOID at $199.
>> >> >>>>>>>>seems to be better yet.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>ric
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>If you do a lot of run and gun shooting, the VideoMic will wiggle audibly.
>> >> >>>>>>>If
>> >> >>>>>>>shooting on a tripod or slow handheld, it's very nice.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Ty Ford
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Thanks,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>What about the RODE NT3-HYPER CARDIOID?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>ric
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
>> >> >>>>>>>stuff are at www.tyford.com
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>ric
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>We're all trying to be gentle and kind here, but it's difficult because
>> >> >>>>>you keep trying to get us to validate something we're just not
>> >> >>>>>comfortable validating.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>In my seminars, one typical audience ³light bulb moment is when I do the
>> >> >>>>>following exercise.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>I'd get the audience to close their eyes - then I'd announce ³Hi, my
>> >> >>>>>name is Bill Davis and I've been making video professionally for more
>> >> >>>>>than 15 years.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Then I'd ask them to open their eyes and I'd silently mouth the words ³I
>> >> >>>>>live in Scottsdale, Arizona on an old horse property the barn of which
>> >> >>>>>I've converted into a purpose-built video production studio
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Then I'd ask them to tell me which ³presentation mode they got the most
>> >> >>>>>information out of. AUDIO without VIDEO or VIDEO without AUDIO.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>The point is that in most typical videos the AUDIO track actually does
>> >> >>>>>more of the communications ³heavy lifting than does the VIDEO.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>If you want to rest that component of your work on an inexpensive mic
>> >> >>>>>with a suspect cable, hey man, you go right ahead.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Its simply that most of us would NEVER consider any mic that didn't have
>> >> >>>>>a long, solid, verifiable track record of performance in actual field
>> >> >>>>>conditions in these circumstances.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Maybe the RODE gizmo is the next great field production mic and we just
>> >> >>>>>don't know about it. Or maybe it's a fragile gizmo with a 100% margin,
>> >> >>>>>lots of marketing bucks, and no place in any videographers bag. We don't
>> >> >>>>>know, because we haven't used it and likely NEVER WILL use it. Because
>> >> >>>>>our time and work is too important for trial and error and there are
>> >> >>>>>already time tested products that we KNOW work correctly.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>You want to try it out. Go right ahead. If you and a couple of dozen
>> >> >>>>>other guys start raving about it, it MIGHT earn a place in our bags -
>> >> >>>>>provided one of our EV-635s or Beyer M-58s or Sony 672s or one of the
>> >> >>>>>other couple of dozen mics that we've all had knocking around in our
>> >> >>>>>bags and that are still working flawlessly after 15 or 20 years without
>> >> >>>>>a failure gets run over by a road grader or something.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Nothing wrong with asking these kind of questions.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Nothing wrong with not taking the answers and doing it your own way,
>> >> >>>>>either.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>You want to learn though your own trial and error - have at it.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Most of us had to at some point.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Welcome to the club.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Not to put too fine a point on on it, but the people at Dvcreators.net
>> >> >>>>have now think the
>> >> >>>>RODE Videomic at $149 offers more value than the Senneiser 300 at
>> >> >>>>$199. They, in fact, no longer recommend the Senneiser 300.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Is your point I should ignore this and select the Senneiser 300 over
>> >> >>>>the Rode anyway?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>ric
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>My Gawd man, how many different people and how many different ways
>> >> >>>does someone have to say it to you.
>> >> >>>If you have your heart set on it, buy it.....
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Bob Ford
>> >> >>>Images In Motion
>> >> >>>www.imagesinmotion.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When question, Bob: Are you off your medication again or is it just
>> >> >> that time of the month?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ric
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >well it looks like the amature just burned his trial membership with the
>> >> >experienced players. Actually I thought you guys treated ric pretty well
>> >> >considering he didn't appear to actually understand anything you guys wrote.
>> >> >
>> >> >bill
>> >> You got that right Bill!
>> >>
>> >> At my age I got over having my time of the month long ago.
>> >>
>> >> I also don't use med's, drugs, alcohol or any other mind altering
>> >> substances, nor do I have any tats or body piercings.
>> >>
>> >> I've just been quite content running my little video production biz
>> >> for over 22 years now so I'm afraid Riccy is on his own.
>> >>
>> >> A respected pro on this group sent me a private e-mail comparing him
>> >> to old Conduit;"-)
>> >> Bob Ford
>> >> Images In Motion
>> >> www.imagesinmotion.com
>> >
>> >I should say I don't believe all the negative hype about this newsgroup
>> >being composed of pompous blowhards who have turned running-off newbies
>> >into an art form. I lurked before posting and concluded this assessment
>> >of the group is not entirely true.
>> >
>> >But, as a fellow pointed out to me in email, the knee-jerk answers you
>> >get here are often out-dated or not the best for newbies. This thread
>> >may illustrate that. Mind you, no one is disputing the regulars who
>> >replied are seasoned pros with more knowledge about video production
>> >than God; the point the fellow who emailed me was making, I think, is
>> >that each took it as an act of subversion that a lowly newbie dare
>> >question his word.
>> >
>> >I suppose the fellow who emailed me this opinion had a point. In his
>> >email he also referred to the respondents as small-brained wedding
>> >photographers and bankruptcy-prone shop keepers, names I feel also
>> >exaggerate.
>> >
>> >Still, I agree things could have been handled more maturely.
>> >
>> >ric
>>
>> You are too damned stupid to try to deal with.
>> You were treated quite nicely in the beginning, even by me but when
>> you ask questions, get answers and then continue to try to persuade
>> those who gave you the answers to validate decisions it appears you
>> have already made you reveal your stubbornness.
>>
>> I don't mind newbies on this group at all but I do get annoyed at
>> those who jump on here and want the group to do their research into
>> what they should buy. Do your own research or did your mommy do
>> everything else for you.
>>
>> boo hoo, now go away, you are starting to annoy me.
>> Bob Ford
>> Images In Motion
>> www.imagesinmotion.com
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>
>
>My, my, my, don't we have our shorts all in a knot ...
>
>And yet, Bob, your incredible wealth of knowledge notwithstanding, you
>rejected the comprehensive mic testing given at dvcreators.net for no
>apparent reason. Worse still, as we see above, you threw a temper
>tantrum when evidence showing the Senn 300 is not the best value for
>price was made abundantly clear to you.
>
>Here's your quote:
>
>"It was clearly stated to you that Senn is the best mic going for the
>money (next to Lectro for that matter), and you prefer to take the
>word of some reviews that the one you have selected is better. The
>price difference alone would make me suspicious.....you get what you
>pay for. "
>-- Bob Ford
>
>Indeed, the site you dismissed presented a comprehensive mic "shootout"
>of 7 mics including sound files so that even readers with a bias such
>as yours could listen and adjust their outdated opinions accordingly.
>But even more tellingly, Bob, the Senn 300 was not even included in
>these tests because the testers determined the Senn 300 is inferior to
>all the others in its class.
>
>To sum up, Bob, you're not only misleading readers with your insistence
>that the Senn 300 is the best in its class, you, as we see above, act
>like a petulant child when the hard evidence showing your opinion is
>outdated is presented before you.
>
>All of which may be the point of the fellow who emailed me about how
>some of the regulars here have created an environment here where
>thuggery such as yours is the law of the land.
>
>To sum up, again, Bob: The Senn 300 IS NOT the best in its class.
>
>Did you get all that, Bob? If so, take a few minutes, digest it, and --
>STOP TELLING NEWBIES the Senn 300 IS THE BEST IN ITS CLASS!
>
>ric
>
>http://www.dvcreators.net/shotgun-shootout/
Ploink, now go get started working on your latest sick or porn video
Bob Ford
Images In Motion
www.imagesinmotion.com
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