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Posted by Jim Higgins on 01/05/07 18:23
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:46:52 -0800, M-Theory
(m-theory@superstrings.com) wrote:
>Jim Higgins <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 07:14:33 GMT, M-theory (m-theory@superstrings.com)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Anyone else have reservations or information about e-centru?
>>
>>I'd have reservations about any company that facilitates the business
>>of Russian criminals.
>
>I strongly disagree that AllofMP3 is run by "Russian criminals." It is a
>very user-friendly site with an excellent design structure and they post
>'proof' that they are operating legally under Russian laws. (More than
>most sites do!) I put "proof" in semi-quotes because I am not an
>international expert in copyright law, (and I doubt you are), but the
>fact they are even fighting this out in court means they have a leg to
>stand on.
No it doesn't. It means they're making a buck as fast as they can
while the wheels of justice move too slowly to protect copyright
holders whose rights are being violated.
I'm not an expert in copyright law, but I do know that Russia joined
the Berne Convention (Google it) on March 13, 1995 and by doing so
agreed to be bound by a standard international copyright agreement
that makes AllofMP3's copyright violating operations illegal.
>whatsoever. Their lawyer (a NY lawyer) made a recent statement that he
>believes they will win the case and continue providing their services.
>Though all lawyers are paid to say such things, I certainly hope it's
>true.
>
>That said, they have fallen back on e-centru to process pymnts since
>they entered their court battle. And in times like this companies are
>sometimes forced to take on lesser partners than they'd wish.
The original point being it is not a wise thing to give these so
called "lesser partners" your credit card number.
>> If you have any concerns about identity theft,
>>the last two words in the last sentence ought to register with you as
>>something to avoid.
>
>Yeah, I decided to call my credit card company and change my number
>after my last purchases. I will now wait until AllofMP3 comes up with
>another (better) partner for processing credit card payments for the US.
>I wish we had that cash option that EU has! Or that Chronopay was still
>handling more than Diner's Club cards. When this gets straightened out
>they (Chronopay) will be able to take VISA/MC again.
You can hope. The Berne convention has been around over about 110
years so I doubt it will fall to this recent legal challenge.
What's going on here is that Russia degraded from a Communist regime
under the Soviet Union to a "Criminocracy" following the collapse. The
small percentage of citizens who were prepared to deal with unbridled
capitalism and the role of the "entrepreneur" following the collapse
were the criminals and the government was unprepared to deal with
them. The situation is somewhat akin to the USA in the 20s when
assorted crime organizations had a fair degree of control in larger
cities sparking a massive Federal effort to root them out and wrest
control from them. The causes are vastly different, but the
situations are similar. The Russian government still has that job of
regaining control - law and order - in front of them and the
incredible violence the Russian mobs are noted for is a real
impediment to any solution that doesn't devolve into something akin to
urban warfare.
That's the environment in which AllofMP3 is thriving.
>But there is just too little info on e-centru and their website is too
>thin. Chronopay, OTOH, is a very impressive company with strong
>privacy-oriented policies. I liked doing business with them and felt
>comfortable with it. Especially considering they were processing pymnts
>for AllofMP3 since 2000 without any problems of ID theft or any other
>complaints. In fact, people have loved using AllofMP3 for many years.
I used to live in the Philadelphia area and when Chickie Narducci was
killed his whole neighborhood turned out to pay their respects because
he donated to the local church and to neighborhood improvement...
never mind he has hiring people killed elsewhere. He was still scum.
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