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Posted by Alan Holmes on 01/11/07 13:54
"fanny" <me@there.com> wrote in message
news:gL6dne5tPLaPvzvYnZ2dnUVZ8siknZ2d@bt.com...
> And if I decided to follow Islam would I have the privilege of becoming a
> suicide matyr and murder dozens of people ?
Hopefully, yes!
> <al7yatkalima3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1146162925.419783.191450@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
>> second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
>> used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine
>> within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult
>> your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn
>> out of context:
>>
>> 1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
>> When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
>> limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
>> knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
>> son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
>> His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
>> admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
>> proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
>> God.
>>
>> 2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
>> While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power
>> he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily,
>> verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he
>> seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine
>> own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just;
>> because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
>> sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also
>> the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own
>> admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not
>> all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.
>>
>> 3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
>> God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon
>> nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom
>> he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my
>> Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He
>> is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God
>> why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then
>> couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?"
>> Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer
>> (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
>> Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
>> pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
>> 26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
>> admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
>> to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.
>>
>> 4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
>> While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
>> this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
>> any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time
>> nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God
>> is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in
>> truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any
>> time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that
>> Jesus was not God.
>>
>> 5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
>> acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
>> his own.
>> Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
>> equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of
>> Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than
>> I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus
>> responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that
>> is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself
>> and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither
>> came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear
>> evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with
>> God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in
>> St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father
>> which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into
>> the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he
>> would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he
>> would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of
>> another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and
>> therefore Jesus is not God.
>>
>> Conclusion
>> The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
>> about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
>> not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
>> basis have you come to believe otherwise?
>>
>> My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is
>> false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented
>> in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.
>>
>> If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
>> Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.
>>
>>
>> What is the word of God about Jesus:
>>
>> A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
>> That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are
>> doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him!
>> When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an
>> 19:34,35).
>>
>> And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have
>> indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it
>> and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down
>> crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and
>> it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the
>> heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an
>> 19:88-93).
>>
>> Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
>> created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
>> 3:59).
>>
>> People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
>> not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
>> the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
>> spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
>> 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
>> on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the
>> heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)
>>
>> B. Regarding Jesus being God:
>> And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
>> and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
>> is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
>> knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
>> within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
>> You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
>> witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
>> me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
>> everything. (Quran 5:116,117)
>>
>> C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
>> And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
>> calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary,
>> the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified
>> him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at
>> variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no
>> knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not
>> slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is
>> Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will
>> assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day
>> he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)
>>
>> http://www.islamtoday.net/english/
>>
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